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Letter to the editor: The gun problem

To the editor:

The NRA tries to make us believe that the problem is about “school safety.” It is not.

The problem is mass murders by angry white men wielding weapons of mass destruction. In schools, churches, nightclubs, concerts, movie theaters and crowds under hotel windows; in short, any place where large numbers of people gather together.

The NRA’s “solution,” which even it cannot possibly believe, is to arm teachers. A pistol is no match for an AR-15. You have to aim a pistol. You just spray with an AR-15. If an armed teacher, minister, ticket seller, bouncer, usher or member of a crowd were close enough to the shooter to “take him on,” by the time the “good guy” realized what was happening, took out his or her gun and carefully aimed so as not to harm anyone but the “bad guy,” he or she would be dead. The NRA knows that. It just wants more gun sales.

People can and sometimes do survive a gunshot wound from a pistol. But one shot from an AR-15 can completely obliterate an entire organ. There is no surviving that.

Kansas farmers do not need military-grade assault weapons to protect their families. Hunters do not need them. Marksmen certainly do not need them.

The only civilians who need these weapons are mass murderers. The NRA knows that, too.

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Bob Smith

"...You have to aim a pistol. You just spray with an AR-15..." That sentence shows that your knowledge of firearms is nill. They rest of what you say doesn't matter.

3 months, 3 weeks ago

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Bob Smith

"...But one shot from an AR-15 can completely obliterate an entire organ..." Imagine what one shot can do to a piano!

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Brock Masters

The problem is skewing data. Many of the reports, such as Mother Jones report, is they do not include all mass shootings. They eliminate gang shootings and robberies for the purposes of looking at race or sex. However, they do include those numbers when they want to emphasize how big a problem gun violence is.

Looking at the Mother Jones data you will see AR 15s are not the weapon of choice and the race of the shooters tends to track the racial makeup of our population - definitely not limited to white men.

Race is an important tool in profiling criminals in apprehending/preventing crime, but is not relevant in stopping gun violence except to drive a racial wedge between us.

One only needs to look at the race of those who are committing murders in the cities with the highest number of murders to know this isn’t just about white men killing white school children although from the attention it gets you’d think that only dead white children matter.

The LTE writer goes beyond trying to make this a race issue to stating false statements with no basis in fact to sensationalize the AR 15. Two facts - it is not the weapon but who possesses it that matters. A pistol can be a very effective weapon against someone with an AR 15.

Just the other day two women with pistols stopped a robber who had a sawed off shotgun. So a blanket statement that a pistol is no match against an AR 15 is false

Second, again it is not the weapon that is deadly but the ammo that it fires. An AR 15 firing the .223 caliber ammo is no more deadly than a pistol that fires it or a caliber like the 9mm or .45. Even the small .22 can destroy an organ.

The AR 15 has been used in mass shootings but it is not the weapon that has been used in most of them - no where close so why focus on it.

When considering the validity of statements made by the LTE writer consider this - she said people can be shot with a pistol and survive but not from the AR 15. Totally false - people survive being shot from an AR 15 - just look at those that survived in Las Vegas.

3 months, 3 weeks ago

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P Allen Macfarlane

"... it is not the weapon but who possesses it that matters." If an AR-15 is not a weapon then what is it? Maybe you are thinking it a piece of froo-froo? Or perhaps a piece of furniture.

From the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary: Definition of the word weapon: "something (such as a club, knife, or gun) used to injure, defeat, or destroy " (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...). An AR-15 is a military style assault rifle that is intended to do all that is included in the definition. It says nothing about possession.

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Brock Masters

P drink some more coffee and reread what I wrote and come back and show me where I said the AR 15 is not a weapon. Explain how when I write it is not the “weapon” that you can take that the AR 15 is not a weapon since I just referred to it as a weapon?

Tell me, in context of what the LTE writer wrote and what I wrote in response how I am wrong? Do you believe that a civilian with no gun experience or training who is handed an AR 15 has a better chance of killing a Special Forces military person armed with a pistol just because they have an an AR 15?

Please explain to me how I am wrong.

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Glen Stovall

The fear and reactivity from gun owners who value their weapons more that human life is similar to the last throes of white America as our country becomes more brown and more loving. I wonder why?

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Brock Masters

Too funny. Such a false narrative- just because someone values their 2nd amendment right does not mean they don’t value human life.

And what happy pill did you take this morning to believe America is becoming more loving? I see hate, anger and a divided country.

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Bob Smith

If you think AR-type rifles can't be used for self-defense, you've got another think coming. "....A man who witnessed a stabbing in Oswego Township grabbed an AR-15 style rifle from his house and stopped the attack without firing shots Monday, according to the Kendall County Sheriff's Office.
The stabbing happened in the 100 block of Harbor Drive in unincorporated Oswego, about 45 miles west of Chicago, after a dispute between neighbors, the sheriff’s office said in a news release..."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/lo...

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Brock Masters

The problem with the gun debate is that many of anti-2nd amendment people are ignorant when it comes to guns. They make false and stupid statements related to guns and are expected to be taken seriously. They parrot talking points without checking to see if they are true.

For example, the left has rushed to defend the cowardly Broward county deputies by issuing the talking point that a person with a pistol has no chance against a shooter with an AR 15. False in the context in which we are discussing.

It might be true if the shooter was trained and in an open area because then they would have an advantage over a long distance against the person with a pistol.

But, in a school setting that advantage doesn’t exist. There is cover for the person with the pistol and a trained person can easily hit a human at 25 yards or longer distances with a pistol so no real tactical advantage for the shooter with the AR 15.

Just the other day two women stopped a robber armed with a shotgun using their wits, courage and a short barrel revolver. Why? Because the robber was close to them.

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Bruce Weber

Ok Bob, we get it, You are a Gun Nerd, guess what ? We are not, we do not know the intricate details of any guns and we don't want to know.. We do know Las Vegas 59 murdered, 515 wounded,,Parkland 17 murdered 14 wounded,, All these people were assaulted by 2 guys with an AR15 rifles and we are going to refer to them as ASSAULT RIFLES and You need to get use to it. As a matter of fact there is alot of things about to happen that You and Your Clan of like minded Ilk are not going to like , But You are going to have to get over it.

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Bob Smith

"...we are going to refer to them as ASSAULT RIFLES..." You got a mouse in your pocket?

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Glen Stovall

squeek squeek

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Bruce Weber

No Bob 70% of Americans want stricter gun laws, you do the math

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Brock Masters

Illogical since we are not a democracy - the wants and desires of the majority do not matter.

The good news is you’re free to move to California where they have an assault weapon ban and strict gun laws. You will be very safe there with no chance of mass shootings or murders due to their progressive gun laws.

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Joshua Cain

Brock is right on. We've seen what mob mentality does. That's the difference between a republic and a democracy.

If you want a democracy.....change the system of government or go somewhere else.

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Andrew Applegarth

Do you wear your "Willfully Ignorant and Proud Of It." shirt often, or just to gun debates?

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Conrad Griebel

Touting your ignorance on an issue is a novel way to enter a debate. Bold strategy

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Joshua Cain

....And the VA Tech shooter used a .22 and 9mm. So once AR's are banned will you come for handguns? He killed 32 and injuring another 17.

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Brock Masters

It just occurred to me that the left is making an argument for the AR 15 when they say it is superior to the pistol. If that is true then why do we want to deprive people who are law abiding and who want the best defensive weapon from owning the AR 15?

Why does the left want to put them at a disadvantage when it comes to defending their family and themselves?

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Joshua Cain

Because they haven't had their lives threatened yet. That or they're relying on law enforcement which as we all know get there after the fact.

They simply can't put themselves in someone else's shoes that has an actual need to defend themselves.

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Bruce Weber

AR15 Assault rifle is capable of 700 rounds per minute, though that would probably cause it to melt down, 400 is possible, Heck even donnie with his little hands could easily pull 100 rounds per minute. How many people have you pissed off that you need that kind of fire power?? And please don't give me that Hunting B.S.

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Bob Smith

Generally, hunting laws restrict how many rounds can be in a magazine. Case in point, shotguns are often limited to 2 rounds in the magazine when hunting waterfowl. There are similar laws for rifles. I'd like to see how you attempt to change magazines quickly enough to put 400 rounds downrange in a minute from any semi-automatic rifle.

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Brock Masters

Ever look at the number of people looting and burning homes during riots? Ever looked at crime reports about home invasions? Often it is multiple invaders. Contrary to the latest talking points one .223 round is not always enough to stop an attacker. Bullet placement or heavy clothing can require multiple follow up shots. And even cops miss so more ammo and the ability for quick follow up shots is desirable for self defense.

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Joshua Cain

Add to that even cops have AR-15's. A SWAT team armed to the teeth with AR-15's and other semi-auto rifles to arrest one suspect?

Civilians face the same threats Law Enforcement does. Why do they get the effective tools to defend themselves and we don't?

You will rarely see a law enforcement officer carrying a revolver. Most likely it's a glock with a 15 round mag. We see them empty the mag on victims all the time.

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David Reynolds

It's obvious the author of this article is unfamiliar with guns of any type. Clearly doesn't understand that an AR-15 is a semi-automatic which means you have to pull the trigger for each shot, just like a pistol. So there is no "spraying of bullets".

Citizens aren't going to give up their rights to get & own guns anymore than abortion rights supporters are going to give up the right to on-demand abortion.

So what is the solution...how about common sense.

A simple solution is to harden schools just like any other venue today.

All entries should have metal detectors & screening like at an airport. This is because of backpacks, etc. Each station should be manned (generic term) by a combination of off duty police &/or retired military &/or police.

Once students are in school then entrances & exists should be reduced to control ingress & egress to ensure officers know who is coming & going.

That's not so hard.

Also why not arm teachers if they are properly trained & have the physical ability to control an attacker? All of those claiming arming teachers is wrong, might want to research where teachers say otherwise. http://kdvr.com/2018/02/27/schools-al...

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Bruce Weber

Hey Bob, you said a clip can be changed in 1.5 seconds, last week you posted that manufacturers of AR15 and simular guns make the appropriate size caliber bullets for the appropriate wild game,,do they make a 2 shot clip for deer hunters,, how about bird shot for the pheasant and quail hunters, what about those armor piercing rounds are those to fiend off the armadillo invasion from Oklahoma? ?

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Brock Masters

Bruce educate yourself. Here is the requirement for legal equipment used for deer in KS. No need for a 2 round magazine.

Centerfire rifles and handguns that are not fully automatic, using only hard-cast solid lead, soft point, hollow point, or other expanding bullets; any gauge shotgun using only slugs.

AR15s don’t use clips.

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Bob Smith

Bruce, I never said a clip can be changed in 1.5 seconds. A clip is a device that is used to feed rounds into a magazine.There are 5 round magazines available. Five rounds is the general limit for rifle hunting. You can only put 2 rounds in it if you so desire. There have been shotguns made using AR-type actions. None have been commercially successful as far as I know.

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Joshua Cain

"do they make a 2 shot clip for deer hunters,, how about bird shot for the pheasant and quail hunters, what about those armor piercing rounds are those to fiend off the armadillo invasion from Oklahoma? ?"

.223 AR rounds in a 30 round mag is ideal for protecting live stock from coyotes.

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Bruce Weber

Ok Brock, you too gun nerd, me not so much,,but if you think because We do not know the specifics, the dirty little details of your beloved assault rifles, that we will not be able to assemble a powerful resistance to the nra and any responsible gun legislation. You are NOT PAYING ATTENTION

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Brock Masters

I don’t doubt that you can assemble a resistance but I also have no doubt that you re incapable of discussing the issue in an informed and educated manner. The latter is need to look for common ground, meaningful solutions and not just resist.

Want to find common ground and real solutions? Then don’t speak out of ignorance.

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Bruce Weber

Okay Brock you win, I will wear that ignorance badge with pride,,You said " common ground and meaningful solutions " well said i agree, unfortunately the debate in Congress doesn't allow for Common Sence, Responsible and Compassionate discussion , also unfortunately those attributes are not a requirement to buy gun or join the nra, the original nra and the current nra are not one in the same

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Brock Masters

I can’t argue with you about Congress, but don’t you think we should strive for the ideal?

Look at my response below and tell me if the solutions I put forth aren’t worth considering?

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Beverly Stauffer

Attempts to deflect this author's viewpoint by stating that since she doesn't know details about guns, her points are moot - are unhelpful. Here's all you need to know - our kids are getting murdered and we want some common sense gun control. Most people are not advocating for outlawing guns. We all have one thing in common - none of us wants to be murdered. As a friend of mine so concisely put it - anyone who is at risk of being on the wrong end of a gun knows everything they need to know to demand change. Not knowing a clip from a magazine from your elbow is irrelevant. We all know that getting shot is bad.

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Brock Masters

Beverly it is important to be knowledgeable about guns to legislative effective laws and reduce pushback.

For example if you pass legislation banning AR 15s it will be ineffective since AR15 is basically a brand model so all manufacturers have to do is to change the model name.

If you try to pass a law that bans semi-automatic rifles because an AR 15 is a semiautomatic rifle then you ban all types of other weapons and thus will will have a big fight on your hands.

The LTE wrote false information and needs to be called out on it.

Wouldn’t you call out someone who said transgendered people pose a risk in bathrooms to children? Or would you excuse their ignorance? I suspect and hope you’d call them out.

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Bob Smith

Would you trust someone who wanted to regulate cars if that person kept calling the Corvette a pickup truck?

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Daniel Kennamore

It's called gunsplaining.

They know they can't win a debate on gun control with logic or facts, so they try to focus everyone's attention on small differences in definitions.

It's as blatant as it is sad.

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Bob Smith

So exposing the ignorance of the people who are yammering about things they don't understand is a bad thing in DannyWorld?

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Daniel Kennamore

I hope not, for your sake. Otherwise you'd never get another response to a word you said.

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Andrew Applegarth

The only reason we can't win with logic or facts is because willfully ignorant morons like you, Bruce Weber, Jolene Andersen, etc don't care about nor accept actual facts or logic. No, you spew the party line with absolutely no regard to truth and demand that we "get use to it".

Sorry, but I'm not going to give up my 2nd Amendment rights nor am I going to give up my inalienable right to life (and thus my right to defend that life) to a bunch of liars on a political crusade.

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Daniel Kennamore

If your solution to a problem doesn't even allow for consideration of the methods that have worked in the vast majority of the rest of the civilized world, you are not negotiating in good faith and your positions should be rejected outright.

This is what the gun nuts have become. Utterly incapable of seeing reality through their NRA and Russian propaganda.

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Brock Masters

Daniel this isn’t the rest of the world. We have the 2nd amendment. I do consider it but it is up to and others to repeal it. Do that and we can discuss a wide array of solutions not possible now due to the 2nd amendment.

It is gunsplaining to point out the flaws in one’s arguments if their lack of knowledge causes them to use the wrong terminology or suggest erroneous solutions.

You have called me out when I had my facts wrong as you should - no different here. Facts, words, etc. matter when you are proposing legislation.

Here is why words matter. Pass a law that bans high capacity clips and you’d accomplished nothing since magazines and not clips are used.

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Daniel Kennamore

"It is gunsplaining to point out the flaws in one’s arguments if their lack of knowledge causes them to use the wrong terminology or suggest erroneous solutions."

No, Brock, it's when your side brings it up as if it's at all relevant to the point actually being discussed. Let the politicians hammer out the details and terminology in the bill, but first lets all agree that rifles that are designed to be used in assaults should be illegal...however you chose to define them.

"We have the 2nd amendment."

The constitution also considered black people to only count as 3/5ths of a person. The second amendment is just as outdated.

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Brock Masters

Then repeal the 2nd amendment.

BTW the reason blacks were counted as 3/5 people was to keep the Southern pro states from having more power. Congressional representation in the House is based on population so if you counted every slave in a state that state would have more representation and more power, hence the 3/5 rule. Oops, I civicsplained. Sorry.

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Daniel Kennamore

The reason behind the compromise doesn't make it any less racist, Brocky.

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Brock Masters

Sure it does. The North was anti-slavery and didn’t want the pro-slavery South to gain more power because of slavery. More power meant less chance of legislatively stopping slavery. They tried not let slaves be counted at all but this was the compromise they were able to achieve.

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Daniel Kennamore

Again, additional context does not make counting someone as only 3/5ths of a person not racist.

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Brock Masters

Do you think it would have been better for the purpose of Congressional representation to count slaves as a whole person and thus giving the slave stated more political power?

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Daniel Kennamore

I'd have preferred they didn't have any racist policies enshrined in the Constitution at all.

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Brock Masters

We all want the perfect world, the perfect solution but sometimes especially in politics you have to compromise.

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Daniel Kennamore

Making racist policies law: "something we're willing to compromise on"

- The GOP

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Brock Masters

Why just the GOP? The Dems were complicit in slavery and racist policies too. Attacking one party while ignoring the sins of the other party makes you as bad as they are.

I criticize evil regardless of the party just like I did yesterday on the transgender issue. Called out the GOP for the hypocrites they are. Too bad you either refuse to acknowledge or just don’t know the history of the democrat party during the slave or segregation eras of our country.

I’d explain, but :)

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Daniel Kennamore

I never claimed both sides weren't as racist back then.

Thankfully, one party has joined the 21st century and evolved on the issues of race, gun control, etc.

When it's literally part of the DNC platform that we should protect slavery because it's in the constitution, let me know. Until then, your 'both sides are the same' narrative is pretty weak.

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Brock Masters

Was it ever in the GOP platform? I don’t think so but could be wrong.

It was in the Dems

The following June 1860, efforts to reunite the Democratic party failed, and Democrats met in two separate conventions in Baltimore. The predominantly northern wing nominated Douglas, and adopted a platform upholding popular sovereignty without mentioning a federal slave code, and leaving it to the Supreme Court to determine the specific powers of a territorial legislature. Herschel V. Johnson of Georgia was selected as Douglas's running mate. The southern Democratic wing nominated the present vice president of the United States, John C. Breckinridge of Kentucky, as its presidential candidate, and Joseph Lane of Oregon as his running mate. The southern Democratic platform affirmed the right of the federal government to protect the slaveholder's equal right to settle in a territory.

Good reading.
https://www.tulane.edu/~sumter/Backgr...

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Daniel Kennamore

Gun control is...which is what I was alluding to.

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Brock Masters

Oh, since you wrote slavery I thought you meant slavery. My bad.

When it's literally part of the DNC platform that we should protect slavery because it's in the constitution, let me know. Until then, your 'both sides are the same' narrative is pretty weak.

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Daniel Kennamore

Okay, let me dumb it down to your level since you're having trouble:

When the DNC has an archaic policy position with an fallacious appeal to tradition as the backbone of their argument, let me know.

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Brock Masters

I understood perfectly based on what you wrote. Am I supposed to read your mind? Dumbing things down seems to come natural to you.

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Marc Wilborn

Can't argue a point, just call everyone a bad name. Every protection was in place to stop the Florida shooter and he still committed the crime. After watching the Broward County sheriff on TV last, you can see that basic governmental safeguards can't work as the people assigned to protect and serve only served themselves. Why trust them with anything in your life?

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Daniel Kennamore

When 'every protection was in place' but yet still failed to stop the shooting, those protections are not adequate.

This wasn't a one off fringe event we're trying to over legislate. These shootings are happening nearly weekly and will continue to happen until we actually do something about them.

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Andrew Applegarth

"those protections are not adequate"

And yet you want to limit us to just those protections. How nice of you!

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Marc Wilborn

Weekly?

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Teri Griffin-Guntert

Why are so many focused (pro or against) on objects as if they have a mind of their own or the will to function without the manifestation of a deep, dark manifested mindset of evil within a person who will, at some point find an object to express the evil manifestation in control to do harm to others? Why are the conversations not about how to help those who are controlled by evil thoughts and ways or why not discussions and strategizing about bringing morals and values to the forefront of these discussions?

This is the way I process the evil that is pervasively moving to destroy many of our Constitutional Rights. Why are we focused on "guns" which is nothing but an object that is used to carry out the manifested, evil mindset of a Being? You take away the guns (which will never happen) and if so, then there will be other "objects" that will be used to destroy, kill and maim.

Most of my life I never gave one thought as to having to carry or own a pistol to protect myself and/or my property or to help a defenseless person. In recent years to purchase a pistol came about due to the barrage and sheer numbers of those who manifest evil within their mindset. Nope not even the rape I endured as a teenager or the accosting I endured as a young woman caused me to ever think of owning and taking defensive pistol courses.

Just watching and hearing about all the unhinged people in this world and our society have me shored up and ready to win if I am ever confronted by an evil manifested mindset. There in lies the "change" for me and many others. I consider it wisdom to have a strategy in place to defend myself (ME) at all hours, 24/7 and for me the 2nd Amendment is my go to for protecting the innocent from becoming victimized. As to the type of weapon depends upon my personal need, exposure in society, whether or not I am a good aim, etc., in order to find my level of comfort for protection.

When I was in school there were many trucks with more than one gun sitting on racks in the back of the rear windows and filet and carving knives laying around and about the same vehicles. No school shootings and I don't recall a shooting accident to speak of. Today these weapons are banned on school campuses (selah). What changed? Society moving away from good morals and values, or perhaps taking the "stick" out of the hands of teachers and parents many decades ago?

"To spare the rod is to raise a fool".

The cause of all dissension lies in the human mind.
Everyone clings tenaciously to his own opinions.
The human mind is a breeding place for all quarrels and fault finding, all presumptions and schisms.
The mind of man corrupt and self seeking must die so that the divine spirit of love and reconciliation might come to life .
Basilea Schlink.

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Brock Masters

Teri, first and I am sure you don’t need to hear this, but I feel compelled to say it, I am sorry for the abuse you have suffered. I am compelled because I am appalled at the abuse some people commit against others and as part of the human race I feel the need to let anyone who was abused know I and many others are not like those evil people.

The focus on the gun is because people have made gun control political. The goal isn’t to save lives but to score political points. This is an issue used to gain power and money.

I’ve discussed the issue on here with those of a different political leaning than me and we found common ground. We agreed on solutions that just might make a difference.

Properly fund the background check database. Enhance it, make sure agencies and others are reporting to it.

Consider a red flag law where people can report the Cruzs of the world and have something done to take away their guns.

Allow the CDC to study gun violence and make recommendations.

Ban bumpstocks.

Increase penalties for felons illegally possessing a firearm

Provide accessible and affordable mental health access.

Invest in our inner cities to provide better education, promote the family structure, change the culture of drugs and violence and give hope to a better future for those who have no hope now.

I think these are reasonable and could be effective in reducing gun violence.

However, people like to call me and others a gun nut and accuse me of thinking that people want to take my guns - which of course many do.

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Bruce Weber

Very good Brock, we'll said (mostly) And Teri,s plite has no place in this world and yet far to common in our world, all to more reason to Stand or kneel if you prefer for the #METWO movement, this is long over due,,, I would like to add to your list that Parents be held responsible for their guns at all times . We had a terrible event in Lawrence a week before Las Vegas, a 2 year old shot by a slightly older sibling, I never did hear what the results of that was, and if it has been reported and I missed it or the current laws already address that , then I apologize, I'm ignorant remember

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Brock Masters

Bruce the issue of holding parents responsible is, from my perspective, a bit complex. On one hand I can’t argue that the parents re responsible but what is the punishment? If we punish them for the deadly consequences of their irresponsiblilty do we do the same for parents who leave a child in a car, let the child drown in a bathtub or pool?

But the issue is important and I’d like to see PSAs about gun safety. We do it about car seats, texting etc so why not remind parents about the deadly consequences of not storing their guns safely.

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Daniel Kennamore

I think at the very least it should be like learners permits with cars.

A parent can be held liable when a child has an accident under a learner's permit, including jail time.

It should be illegal for a minor to operate a gun without a type of learner's permit that a legal guardian has signed off on, and that guardian should face consequences for not securing their firearms if they are used in a shooting or any other illegal activity.

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Bruce Weber

minimum they lose their right to own a gun, maybe jail time and probation

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Beverly Stauffer

Brock, your list of possible solutions gives me great hope - you are in the area of common sense that, in spite of the insistence of some in stating otherwise, I think most people are in. I especially appreciate "Allow the CDC to study gun violence and make recommendations." To me (a lifelong gun owner who learned to shoot a BB gun at cardboard oil cans off my grandpa's front porch when I was 7 years old) this one is a no-brainer. Same with increased funding for mental health initiatives. No one should be against that, though many are opposed to funding anything. There is so much we can do here, if people can stop screaming and finger-pointing and hairsplitting long enough to come together and demand it. So, thanks for your post.

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Brock Masters

Funny I can remember vividly when I got my B.B. gun. I told my parents this is the best gift ever. At ten I got a rifle. At 13 I was taking it out unsupervised. Gun safety was taught to me by my dad.

I look at it this way, if we can find money to rebuild other countries we should be able to fund the things we need in this country to make it great for ALL Americans.

It is easier for me to come up with solutions to gun violence then figuring out how to get people from screaming at each other.

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Joshua Cain

The new assault weapons ban introduced by Cicilline would classify pellet guns with more than 4oz of compressed air as assault weapon.

This is why the gun control position will not win. Its ridiculous bills like this that make it impossible to take them seriously.

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Bruce Weber

Okay statement that the goal isn't about saving lives,,That is the only thing this is about for me and 70% of Americans And that the issue is about power and money,,You just described the nra,s motto

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Andrew Applegarth

What about the lives that have been and (if you don't get your way) will be saved by firearms. Do those lives not matter to you even though they outnumber those lost in these mass shootings you mistakenly believe you can stop by disarming more law abiding citizens? If you want to save lives, quit trying to take away one of the best personal self-defense tools available.

3 months, 3 weeks ago

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Bruce Weber

Andrew, I have no desire to repeal the 2nd amendment, The nra owns congress, we just want common sence, Responsible gun laws, You can't tell that we cant do better than the nra is allowing to happen

3 months, 3 weeks ago

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Bob Summers

The gun nuts in the Third Reich wanted stricter gun control and got it.

The Chinese gun nuts wanted stricter gun control and got it.

The congenital Liberal gun nuts in America want stricter gun control.

Notice the similarities yet?

Why in the world would any sane person want what the gun nuts want?

3 months, 3 weeks ago

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Bob Summers

'How many Jews were in the ovens because they were unarmed?'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

Of course, the congenital Liberal is upset at the truthful question of the congressman.

These types of people are predisposed to be emotionally hypersensitive truthful questions.
It is only natural the behave this way.

3 months, 3 weeks ago

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Bob Smith

As long as leftists keep saying codswallop like this, we'll keep calling them out on it. https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/201...

3 months, 3 weeks ago

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Bob Smith

Smells like astroturf in the morning. https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/2...

3 months, 3 weeks ago

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Bob Smith

"...A pistol is no match for an AR-15..." Nope. The most important shot in a gunfight is the first accurate one. If Mr. Crazypants if waving a rifle around and not aiming at anything in particular, he's subject to getting his career ended by someone putting a well-aimed slug into his chest.

3 months, 3 weeks ago

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Bob Summers

Back ground checks are unconstitutional.

It is as simple as that.

3 months, 3 weeks ago

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