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26 killed in church attack in Texas' deadliest mass shooting

Carrie Matula embraces a woman after a fatal shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Sunday, Nov. 5, 2017. Matula said she heard the shooting from the gas station where she works a block away. (Nick Wagner/Austin American-Statesman via AP)

— A man opened fire inside of a church in a small South Texas community on Sunday, killing 26 people and wounding about 20 others in the deadliest mass shooting in the state's history, the governor said.

Officials didn't identify the attacker during a news conference Sunday night, but two other officials — one a U.S. official and one in law enforcement — who were briefed on the investigation identified him as Devin Kelley. They spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the investigation.

The U.S. official said Kelley lived in a San Antonio suburb and doesn't appear to be linked to organized terrorist groups. The official said investigators are looking at social media posts Kelley may have made in the days before Sunday's attack, including one that appeared to show an AR-15 semiautomatic weapon.

Authorities said a civilian with a gun confronted the attacker and chased him away. The gunman was later found dead in his vehicle along with several weapons.

A Department of Public Safety official said at the news conference that investigators weren't ready to discuss a possible motive for the attack. He said the dead ranged in age from 5 to 72 years old. Twenty-three were found dead in the church, two were found outside and one died after being taken to a hospital.

Federal law enforcement swarmed the small community 30 miles southeast of San Antonio after the attack to offer assistance, including ATF investigators and members of the FBI's evidence collection team.

Among those killed was the 14-year-old daughter of the church's pastor, Frank Pomeroy, and his wife, Sherri. Sherri Pomeroy wrote in a text message to the AP that she and her husband were out of town in two different states when the attack occurred.

"We lost our 14 year old daughter today and many friends," she wrote. "Neither of us have made it back into town yet to personally see the devastation. I am at the charlotte airport trying to get home as soon as i can."

The wounded were taken to hospitals. Video on KSAT television showed first responders taking a stretcher from the church to a waiting AirLife helicopter. Eight victims were taken by medical helicopter to the Brooke Army Medical Center, the military hospital said.

Megan Posey, a spokeswoman for Connally Memorial Medical Center, which is in Floresville and about 10 miles from the church, said "multiple" victims were being treated for gunshot wounds. She declined to give a specific number but said it was less than a dozen.

Alena Berlanga, a Floresville resident who was monitoring the chaos on a police scanner and in Facebook community groups, said everyone knows everyone else in the sparsely populated county. Sutherland Springs has only a few hundred residents.

"This is horrific for our tiny little tight-knit town," said Alena Berlanga. "Everybody's going to be affected and everybody knows someone who's affected," she said.

Regina Rodriguez arrived at the church a couple of hours after the shooting and walked up to the police barricade. She hugged a person she was with. She had been at an amusement park with her children when she heard of the shooting.

She said her father, 51-year-old Richard Rodriguez, attends the church every Sunday, and she hadn't been able to reach him. She said she feared the worst.

Nick Uhlig, 34, is a church member who didn't go Sunday morning because he was out late Saturday night. He said his cousins were at the church and that his family was told at least one of them, a woman with three children and pregnant with another, is among the dead. He said he hadn't heard specific news about the other.

"We just gathered to bury their grandfather on Thursday," he said. "This is the only church here. We have Bible study, men's Bible study, vacation Bible school."

"Somebody went in and started shooting," he said, shaking his head and taking a long drag of his cigarette.

President Donald Trump tweeted from Japan, where is his on an Asian trip, that he was monitoring the situation. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott called the shooting an "evil act," and promised "more details" from the state's Department of Public Safety soon.

Sutherland Springs is in a rural area where communities are small and tight-knit. The area is known for its annual peanut festival in Floresville, which was most recently held last month.

"We're shocked. Shocked and dismayed," said state Sen. Judith Zaffirini, a Laredo Democrat whose district includes Sutherland Springs. "It's especially shocking when it's such a small, serene area. These rural areas, they are so beautiful and so loving."

Zaffirini said she had called several county and local officials but not been able to get through and didn't have any firm details.

The church is a white, wood-framed building with a double-door at the entrance and a Texas flag on a pole at the front area. A morning worship service was scheduled for 11 a.m. The first news reports of the shooting were between noon and 12:30 p.m.

The church has posted videos of its Sunday services on a YouTube channel, raising the possibility that the shooting was captured on video.

In the most recent service, posted Oct. 29, Frank Pomeroy parked a motorcycle in front of his lectern and used it as a metaphor in his sermon for having faith in forces that can't be seen, whether it be gravity or God.

"I don't look at the moment, I look at where I'm going and look at what's out there ahead of me," Pomeroy said. "I'm choosing to trust in the centripetal forces and the things of God he's put around me."

— Associated Press writers Sadie Gurman in Washington, Nomaan Merchant in Houston and Diana Heidgerd in Dallas contributed to this report.

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Bob Summers

Why are congenital Liberals allowed to have firearms?

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Daniel Kennamore

Early reports are that this was a former serviceman who was dishonorably discharged.

So in Texas he wasn't legally allowed to have firearms.

Obviously he was able to get his hands on them though, because the gun laws are so loose.

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Bob Summers

ANTIFA!!

He's a congenital Liberal mate.

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William Cummings

русский тролль

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John Middleton

" because the gun laws are so loose."

Can you elaborate on the "loose" gun laws that allowed this person, who could not pass a background check based on Form 4473, to purchase a firearm. Please be specific here so that we all will know which current gun law needs to be strengthened to prevent this type of shooting in the future.

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Jeremy Smith

So how do places such a Los Angeles and Chicago, which have strict gun laws, explain the massive amounts of illegal guns being bought and sold?

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed

Chicago does NOT have strict guns laws. It's a NRA lie! http://www.politifact.com/illinois/st...

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William Cummings

California has the ninth lowest rate of gun deaths in the US.

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Thomas Bryce Jr.

For people that think Guns are the problem, I say you are wrong. Guns are powerful tools for sure. They can be used in many ways. Some for good and some not. Trucks are tools also. So is ammonium nitrate. So is diesel fuel. So are knives. All of these things have purpose. It is the person that uses them that defines that purpose. What we need to realize is that something is driving people to use these tools for horrible purposes. That is the True Problem. These Mass Killings are the symptom of the problem. The Problem is that people are losing hope. They are losing their dreams and their future. A person without hope for the future has nothing to lose. They can become unstable and quite dangerous. This is the Problem we should be looking at. Why are so many people choosing to take the lives of others and then take their own? The rich had better take heed. You have enough. Others do not. Where are the higher wages and jobs that were promised 30 years ago under Reagan Trickle Down Economics? People are starting to realize that there is no relief coming for them. They do not see things getting better for them and their families. They see things getting worse. That is a very Dangerous thing.

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Daniel Kennamore

People have the same problems in lots of parts of the developed world, but only here are mass shootings a normal occurrence.

The difference is the prevalence and ease-of-access to guns. Full Stop.

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Thomas Bryce Jr.

The NYC incident shows that having no access to guns does not stop a mass killing. He rented a truck and ran people down. Timothy McVeigh used a rental truck full of Ammonium nitrate and diesel to kill 168 people and injure over 600 in Oklahoma City. Full stop.

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Daniel Kennamore

Seat belts don't prevent fatalities 100% of the time in car crashes, but that doesn't mean we should stop encouraging people to wear them, including with laws requiring them.

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Thomas Bryce Jr.

Out law guns and then what? Outlaw Rental trucks? Knives? Screw drivers? Hammers? The point is that people that are angry are going to kill by whatever means possible. Sure, guns make it easier in some of these cases. The problem is:" What drives these people to do what they do"? That is the Problem!

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Thomas Bryce Jr.

So , if a guy only kills 2-3 people because all he had was a hammer, is the problem solved?

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Daniel Kennamore

I'm more than willing to entertain non gun-laws that you think would stop these tragedies.

Feel free to propose some.

In the meantime, the only common component of all these shootings is the guns...so I'll concentrate on that area.

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Thomas Bryce Jr.

Outlawing guns won't solve the problem. Gun violence is a symptom. That is like trying to treat the flu with a Kleenex.

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Daniel Kennamore

Then suggest alternatives.

"We've tried nothing, and nothing has worked!" is no longer an option.

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Thomas Bryce Jr.

Our system of Governing needs to change!. The average person is not getting a good deal and a chance at a better life. Having all benefits go to the top (Trickle Up economics) is not working for anyone but the Top. History will repeat itself. The divide between the haves and the have nots has been dealt with before. Not learning from history means we are doomed to repeat it;

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed

This killer had plenty of chances to better himself! He could have worked hard in the Air Force. He could have NOT beaten his wife and child. He even cracked the baby's skull. He could have gotten promoted. He had free mental health. He could have admitted he had a problem, then worked harder in the Air Force, gotten promoted and retired with a nice pension. But he chose NOT to do that. I thought you conservatives were all about personal responsibility.

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Thomas Bryce Jr.

Conservative? Me? You talking to me? I am a registered Democrat and a Veteran. No Conservatives here. As I said, our system of Governing needs to change. This guy was bad news. He obviously made some horrible choices. He fell through the cracks of some of the most powerful entities in our system. Our System Failed Us.

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William Cummings

New York has some of the most stringent gun laws in the US.

New York also enjoys a low rate of gun death,, approximately half of the gun death rate in Kansas, and one third the rate in Missouri, two states with lax gun safety laws. [source: CDC]

New York also has a murder rate that is 30% lower than Kansas.[source: FBI UCR data]

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Bob Summers

*Today's mass shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas, was only halted after an armed Texan "engaged" the killer and put an end to the rampage, the Texas Rangers reported*.

https://news.grabien.com/story-texas-...

Armed non Liberal stopping a congenital Liberal.

Imagine that.

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Daniel Kennamore

I'm sure the 26 people he killed before that will find solace that gun-nuts will cling to such nonsense to justify their delusions.

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Bob Summers

You're the "gun nut". Why do you hate fellow "gun nuts"? I know why you and fellow "gun nuts" hate, but why don't you all lay down your arms to save lives?

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Daniel Kennamore

I not only don't own a gun, but never have...nor have I been in a situation in my life that would have been improved with me having a gun.

Honest question, because I don't know, are Russian nationals like you allowed to own guns here? Or are you actually in Russia?

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Bob Summers

You don't even know who the "gun nuts" are.

ANTIFA!! are some of the "gun nuts".

They are a subset of all the "gun nuts". Congenital Liberals.

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Daniel Kennamore

Oh bobby, you seriously seem to be coming unglued.

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Bob Summers

Denial suits you well.

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Steve Hicks

According to one of the "conservative" commentators on TV as this story unfolds, the Big Question is whether this particular shooter had a legal right to possess firearms.

But in a state where it's "legal" for virtually ANYONE to possess firearms...Kansas, for example...how is that "the big question"...or a meaningful question at all ?

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Bob Summers

ANTIFA !!

Congenital Liberal.

Gun nut.

Why are Liberals allowed to have firearms?

*Texas Church Shooter Was Antifa Member Who Vowed To Start Civil War*

http://yournewswire.com/texas-church-...

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Michael Shaw

yournewswire is a fake news site

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Theodore Calvin

You mean to tell me Jay-Z didn't shape shift into a reptile on a flight like that website claims?

http://yournewswire.com/jayz-shapeshi...

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Shelley Bock

Totally wrong! Fake news definition as propaganda for the alt-right. Reference to the "yourneswire" article is completely debunked. As always, this commentator is completely wrong.

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/11/texa...

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Daniel Kennamore

Surely the only thing that could have prevented this is a travel ban on white former servicemen.

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Bob Summers

Speaking of "unglued"

You need a dose of Allamah Keillor and fast.

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Radar Callaway

Please define "congenital liberal." It is not a common term and I am unable to get any results when I searched on the Internet. Other variations with different words had to be defined individually and all seemed to be unique definitions to fit their personal opinion. All of them were in editorial opinions. When you invent a new phrase not commonly used, you really need to define your meaning(s). Thanks.

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Daniel Kennamore

Don't bother, Radar.

He's a Russian shill pushing propaganda. His 'congenital liberal' stuff is fake news. I only engage with him because he's so transparent and it's funny.

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Bob Summers

Intrinsic genetic condition one is born with.

To varying degrees, one is either born a Liberal or they are not.

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Bob Summers

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Daniel Kennamore

"Don't mess with Texas...because we'll do nothing to stop it from happening again. Please don't hurt us because Patriotism."

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David Holroyd

What about Bath, Michigan where the janitor blew up the grade school with dyanmite and killed the kids.

Long forgotten.......no one cares , just like the Mausoleum..memories are short

Bath, Michigan..read about it!

Lawrence is so educated, folks should now.

All it took was dynamite!

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Daniel Kennamore

So, to follow this logic, because we can't stop 100% of attacks with dynamite it should be completely legal and easily obtainable. Right?

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Bob Smith

I recall when Danny was calling out other posters for being snarky and now he's troll boy. How times do change.

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William Cummings

Your fallacy is whataboutism. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Whatabo... That type of incident has been rare, and accounts for a low percentage of the overall death and murder rates.

Guns are the third leading cause of death among people under the age of 17.

There were 33000 firearms deaths in the USA in 2013,

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David Holroyd

Dyamite isn't the issue. Read about Bath, Michigan....be informed. Nothing new about Texas or Las Vegas...even in Bath, Michigan there was a tragedy..Mr. Kennamore become informed..you reallly need to.

This isn't an argument about dynamite...at the time it was the choice, just like a rented truck was in New York.

BATH, MICHIGAN......read about it.

READ ABOUT IT! It is interesting and significant loss of life.

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Bob Smith

Always interesting to see how LJW picks the national news to cover. Not a word about the ever-growing Weinstein issue, not a word about the developing Hillary/DNC scandal. I suppose those stories didn't fit their narrative.

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Bob Summers

*those stories didn't fit their narrative*.

Who is "their"?

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William Cummings

Because it is largely a distraction from the real story. The real story is the widening net of the Mueller investigation.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...

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Gary Stussie

"The real story is the widening net of the Mueller investigation." ... Seemingly said with a straight face in light of the stunning revelation from former Democratic National Committee interim chairperson Donna Brazile that Clinton secretly rigged the primary process by commandeering the DNC

Tailoring some of Michael Goodwin's words (NYP) .... Liberals are in a perpetual state of outrage, The party now consists of 1960s adolescent who refuses to grow up and college snowflakes who embrace all forms of diversity except thought. They view liberal politics not as a point of view, but as received wisdom that cannot be legitimately disputed.

The animating impulse for the assault is obvious — Liberals are locked into a mission of destroying President Trump, and, like Hillary Clinton, still cannot accept Trump’s election as legitimate.

The real widening net is the call for several more Special Counsels to investigate Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation.

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William Cummings

Uranium one? you fell for that one too?

http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clint...

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William Cummings

BTW, there has been no showing of any violation of any law during the DNC nominating process. Dirty politics maybe, but not a crime.

There is a FEC complaint pending regarding the funding of the dossier [that it was not properly reported]; we will have to see what the outcome of that complaint will be.

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed

People who are radical about the gun issue just think that these people are collateral damage. They really don't care. When something like this happens they immediately start defending their guns. Gun laws have never been looser, especially in states like Texas. And these incidents are only increasing. The gun is the go to now. There is evidence that he targeted this church now. He had some beef with them, maybe they told him he couldn't beat his wife, who knows. But now, it's not just get mad and bad mouth the church. Now it's not flipping off a driver when they cut you off. Now get your gun out and shoot them. Now it's not walking away from a bar fight; it's get your gun and shoot them and anyone standing near them. It's not punching someone who insults your sister, it's shooting them. Now it's not just putting your hands over your ears when someone's radio is too loud, it's shooting them.

You might say, that just proves it's a human problem, not a gun problem. But the increase in guns have turned a lot of people, who were probably on the edge anyway, into Wild West cowboys. For now, it's the new norm in the US, and many are going to try to keep it that way. It sells more guns for self defense.

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Bob Smith

Someone buying a firearm from a dealer in Texas has to meet the same federal standards as buyers in any state.

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William Cummings

In the 19 states that require comprehensive background checks for handguns, there are 47% fewer women killed by their intimate partners, 53% fewer law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty, and 47 % fewer suicides.

New York, a state with a large diverse population, would not have permitted this fellow to purchase this particular firearm. New York also requires comprehensive background checks. New York enjoys a firearms death rate that is 65% lower than Texas and a murder rate that is 35% lower than Texas.

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed

And since, he was sold a gun, even though he wasn't qualified, can. we bring charges against the company that sold it to him? Probably not. Corporations aren't people when it comes to criminal charges.

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Brock Masters

Just when I think you’ve posted the most uninformed post ever you amaze me by topping it.

1. Corporations are sued all the time and when they violate the law they are fined and sometimes the officers go to jail.

2. The Air Force, not the business that sold the firearms, is at fault for not reporting his domestic battery convictions.

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed

Would you care to name a few? How many people at Wells Fargo have gone to prison? And maybe we should investigate why the Air Force did not report this jerk?

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Bob Smith

In other news: {contains adult language}.https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2017/11/06/mtvs-chet-cannon-exposes-resistance-leader-scott-dworkin-as-flaming-hypocrite/

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Michael Kort

BOB SUMMERS........ANTIFA ? ? ?........( REALLY ? ) .....Your ANTIFA turns out to be a long term domestic problem shooter, who was dishonorably discharged from the military for domestic assault and on last Sunday he went to the Church where his wife's mother attended, to carry out a threat made to kill her.... but she wasn't there,...... so being an idiot he did what Idiots do next.........which was not Anti Fascist or Anti Baptist...... but mostly just the acts of an insane idiot shooter who should not have been able to get a gun....... but for the consistent purposefull deeds of the NRA to make guns easily available to all legally......but also illegally thru No Check'em Gun Sales Events and their maveric cult culture of gun power, to clean up all of the bad guys ( left open to ones persons opinions ) in the west......or wherever ? !.......as in a Church, on a Sunday, in a small town in Texas .

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Bob Smith

"...who was dishonorably discharged from the military..." He received a bad conduct discharge, that's a significantly different thing. You .... veered ..... from the ....truth there .... & the .... rest of ..... your rant isn't .... worth .... correcting. (REALLY IT ISN"T)

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Richard Aronoff

By now some of you may have heard that this person was able to buy a gun because the U.S. Air Force neglected to report the shooter's arrest, court martial, conviction and dishonorable discharge to the federal database. That's from the New York Times.

Still, if you want to confiscate all guns to prevent a situation like this you should want to deport all Muslims. Because the same flawed logic applies.

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed

And yet, they have banned a lot of Muslims. When can we ban all domestic abusers? Can we please ship them out of the country. My ex is dead now, but I know a few I wouldn't mind shipping out of the country.

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Jay Reynolds

So we can put Bob Smith and Bob Summers (probably the same little fellow) on the side of defending people that go and kill 18 month old kids.

Weird. They are here time and time again, week after week week, standing up for these murderers any time a gun is mentioned.

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Bob Smith

"....So we can put Bob Smith and Bob Summers (probably the same little fellow) on the side of defending people that go and kill 18 month old kids...." Excellent example of a false dilemma, little one.

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Bob Summers

Ban congenital Liberals from owning firearms. Save lives.

Mandate all non-Liberals attend gun safety classes put on by NRA. Save lives.

Why are you under the influence of the Liberal gene, against saving lives?

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Dave Lee

im a militia. i have the right to own semi auto versions of our military's assault rifle. so much winning. im getting tired of all the winning

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Dave Lee

http://www.shootingtracker.com/
huh. so all those shootings that occur in the deep south red states are done by liberals. weird. interesting theory

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Dave Lee

lol. at least blame first person shooter video games. cmon man. do i have to do your job for you. lets see. whats in your stupid meme. bourne. he was a good guy actually. rambo. also a good guy a vet targeted by some small town ignoramus, scarface. i think. a drug thing. cia drug running connection.. and the lady. is that from Alien. im not sure.

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed

Bob blames everything on liberals. Ignore him. He is just a broken record or a Russian troll. We haven't figured out which yet.

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Bob Smith

Had the Air Force reported the miscreant's crimes, he would have been unable to legally buy a firearm. He also lied on the 4473. That is a crime in itself.

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Jeremy Smith

When do most crimes end? When the good guys with guns show up.

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Dave Lee

yawn. how many guns in america. couple HUNDRED million. how many gun crimes committed each year... and whats the count of good guys with guns stopping crimes. half dozen. maybe a dozen. hmmm. the math is not strong...

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Bob Smith

Your guess is off by several orders of magnitude, skippy. "...7. Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year … in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008,” says the report. The three million figure is probably high, “based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys.” But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, “because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.” Furthermore, “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”..." http://www.slate.com/articles/health_...

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Bob Smith

"...In 2012, while he was in the Air Force, Devin Kelley assaulted his wife, kicking, beating, choking, and reportedly pointing a gun at her. In the same incident, he fractured the skull of his baby stepson, using what the Air Force described as “a force likely to produce death or grievous bodily harm.” He was court-martialed and imprisoned for a year. (Seems like a ludicrously short prison sentence for such a crime, but that’s a whole other story). Based on existing federal gun laws, Kelley’s record made him officially ineligible to buy firearms. But the Air Force failed to submit his records into the federal background-check database, allowing him to purchase the guns used in this weekend’s rampage. Folks, that’s an unacceptable “oops.” It also isn’t an isolated incident of negligence. This week, questions have arisen about the military’s reporting system when it comes to domestic-violence cases. Meanwhile, in an interview after the shooting, Texas senator Ted Cruz noted that in 2010 alone, “48,000 felons and fugitives lied and illegally tried to purchase guns. [The government] prosecuted only 44 of them.”..."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article...

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Dave Lee

yawn. lets blame big bad gubment. if you knew anything about texas gun laws. there are no background checks required for person to person sales. i can buy a gun from a person just as easy as i can buy their bicycle or lawnmower at a garage sale. its no big deal. completely unregulated.

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Bob Smith

The miscreant in this case bought his firearms from a dealer. He lied on the 4473 and because the Air Force dropped the ball, he passed the background check. Your point is valid, but moot if you want to apply it to this tragedy.

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Oliver Nonfrankan

You mentioned that his short one year sentence was a subject for another discussion, but I would say it is very much relevant. Some are calling for gun laws after this massacre, when in fact not only did the existing laws fail (because his record was not known) as you have already pointed out, but also because this man should not have been in general society for quite some time after all his prior conduct.

I may not see what is wrong with having a national gun registry, but this particular crime is a piss poor excuse for some to site as proof that gun laws need to be more stringent --
when the existing laws SHOULD have sufficed to prevent this madman from being out on the streets.

NOTE that I searched the net and found a story from September where a marine was sentenced 5.5 years for fondling a 6 year old. There is NO excuse for such behavior. Still how does fracturing an infant stepson's skull not require AT LEAST a long a sentence as that? This sick man didn't fracture an infant's skull from accidentally dropping him during play time, or spanking him a little too hard. This was a hard blow to the head.

I have heard some pretty outrageous comments on other sites about this story including comments that this guy needed to be trained on anger management. Sorry, but that boat left him years ago.

If anything comes out of this tragedy it should be that we don't turn a blind eye when there are people we know in our lives who are as dangerous as this man has become. Beating wives, bashing children's skulls, escaping mental institutions, threatening to kill spouses, threatening to kill anybody are all RED light signs -- not yellow light signs of a disaster waiting to happen. One should ask themselves, if we all play a role in stopping such a crazed person before it is too late, or pass the buck with more laws because it is someone else's responsibility.

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Dave Lee

Your point is valid, but moot if you want to apply it to this tragedy.

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Bob Smith

Stuck on repeat?

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