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Journal-World websites to require commenters to identify themselves

To our readers: We are changing the system we use to allow readers to comment on stories. We are ending anonymity and will require commenters to post using their real names.

We are doing this in response to countless requests from readers who want us to provide a more civil, responsible forum for discussion. We have received numerous complaints that comments on our sites are too frequently filled with extreme speech, insults, name-calling, misleading statements and other behavior that is made possible and even encouraged by anonymity.

By requiring the use of real names, commenters will be personally responsible for what they post on the site for others to see.

Beginning Thursday, users who want to comment will be required to link their accounts on LJWorld.com, KUsports.com and our other sites to their Facebook accounts (Note: For KUsports.com, this step is not required for the message boards).

This will NOT make comments on our sites visible on Facebook, but it will provide us with a method to validate user accounts and real names. Facebook does not allow its users to create fake profiles. Those who want to post comments on our sites without a Facebook account will not be able to. Additionally, we reserve the right to contact users directly to further confirm their accounts.

It's important to note that this change in our registration system in no way affects anyone's ability to read our sites, subscribe to emails or otherwise participate in our sites. The real-name requirement applies only to those who want to post comments or other types of content that will be publicly visible on our site.

We did not make this decision lightly. It follows months of consideration and study of what other sites are doing to handle the increasingly thorny issue of anonymous comments. Many other sites have been modifying their comments sections to make commenters more accountable and attain a more civilized tone of discussion. Just in the past few weeks, ESPN.com, USAToday.com and the Kansas City Star's kansascity.com have adopted similar Facebook-based comment registration.

It's important to note that comments already on the site will remain in place. But when existing commenters link their accounts to a Facebook account, all of their previous comments will then appear under their real names. Users who wish to avoid this should create a new account using their real name and link that new account to their Facebook account. That will preserve the anonymity of their previous comments.

We will continue to enforce our terms of service for comment behavior. Anyone wishing to contact us anonymously and privately to give us a story tip or other communication can still do so at this address.

There's more information about the new comment-registration policy in our FAQ. If you have any questions or thoughts about what we're doing, please direct them to Managing Editor Julie Wright at comments@ljworld.com. Or you may leave a comment below.

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gccs14r

I've already cut way back on my interaction with ljworld.com, since I have to read stories on my phone to avoid the Google nonsense. This step will finish it off. I don't do Facebook, and I don't link accounts. Even if I did, this town is small enough and enough people know me that I would not feel comfortable posting here under my real name. There could be employment backlash, at a minimum.

I know you won't reconsider, so I hope you're ready to live with the consequences of your actions. I don't think this will go the way you think it will.

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Ron Holzwarth

I think that two of the consequences will be that the commenters will respond with a great deal more professionalism, and jabs at people, such as the commenter that once called me "Holswrath" won't do that anymore. That was followed by a tirade that he was not able to source, later he admitted that it was something that he thought he saw on television. I flagged it, and I could hardly believe that comment wasn't deleted.

I think that fewer but higher quality comments would be better.

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jafs

Well, I'll be gone, since I don't do Facebook, and don't want to.

I'd like to think that I've contributed some quality posts over the years, and that my departure will be a loss for the forum.

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Kathy Theis-Getto

You have, jafs! Thanks for your diplomacy. I will miss you.
Hi, Bob. :-)

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kernal

You really don't have to "do" Facebook if you don't want to. You can just get a facebook account and use it however you wish. You don't necessarily have to accept "friends" on it, but you would be able to use it to comment here and anywhere else you deem necessary. I think it will be a loss without your knowledge and ideas here anymore.

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jafs

Thanks!

But, I don't want to deal with the privacy and other issues of facebook.

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chootspa

Facebook privacy problems only exist when you give it anything private you wish to remain so. So don't fill out anything private. The whole point of filling it out with your real name is to have other people who know you find you. If you don't want that to happen, well.. draw your own conclusions.

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jafs

My name, address, and phone number, etc. are private information to me. It's one thing for me to give those to friends, and another to post them publicly on an internet site.

I have no interest in facebook, and unless I absolutely have to join for some reason, will not do so.

We'll see how this shakes out - I suspect that the vast majority of the people I enjoy reading and discussing things with will stop participating here. If that doesn't happen, I can always re-consider my participation, and join facebook in some way or another.

Will you be continuing to post under the new terms?

Also, there are other reasons that I, as many others, don't want everybody who reads these comments to know who I am.

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elliottaw

you don't have to put any of that on Facebook, you don't even have to list the same gender if you don't want

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chootspa

I'll continue to post with an account that is linked to a Facebook account. Well, until I get bored because nobody else is posting, at which point I'll probably just stick to Liberty's forum and stop reading here at all. Get better coverage of local events from, oh the irony, my Facebook account.

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jayhawklawrence

I will miss you jafs. I learned a lot reading your posts. You are one of the best minds out there. Goodbye my friend.

I imagine I will be gone as well.

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jafs

Hey, thanks!

You're one of my favorite posters as well - I'll miss these discussions a lot!

Sure wish they weren't doing this :-(

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Mike Hatch

I haven't been here for a while, and even then was never a big poster. Just got the change of terms email so headed here. I don't do Facebook either and don't want to. Will use my last ability to post to let you know that you have always been one of my favorite commentors.

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Ron Holzwarth

Close, S instead of Z. I was called Holswrath. The poster was announcing that he thought I was wrathful due to my off the cuff knowledge of some Middle Eastern events. Those spelling errors in my name were so blatant that they could not have been accidental. And, everyone on the forum calls me Ron. I was under the impression that name calling was not allowed.

Anyone that knows me would hardly consider me to be wrathful, that was a new one for sure.

And, while I'm on my tirade, I once used a German term that means something like "One who thinks he knows twice as much as he actually does" in what you would have to consider a logical response to someone's comment. It was deleted.

Later, another poster used a foreign word that translates to "fecal material". More or less, anyway, it's a bit more guttural than that. That was left online, but I have to admit that word is not part of a well known language. But, it could have been looked up if someone had wanted to. Go figure.

This is where I was called "Holswrath", you'll have to scroll down a bit. Also note that another poster does not understand the proper meaning of "mantra".

http://www2.ljworld.com/discussions/s...

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jafs

I also don't have a Facebook account, and don't want to. And, I agree that there are positive aspects to anonymity, especially in a smaller town.

This will finish off these comment threads pretty well, I think, and it's too bad. I've enjoyed being able to discuss things with people on here for years.

I guess I'll just say goodbye now to everybody - best wishes for the future!

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KevinBacon

They've been trying to kill off the comment section for a while now. Anything worth discussing has the commenting disabled anyway.

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Jeff Cuttell

I think that's the reason. If you don't feel comfortable posting your opinion as yourself, then you shouldn't be anyway.

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jafs

Why?

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Janella Williams

I fear my employer wouldn't like my opinions.

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Bobby Burch

Someone's actual name won't bring about civility. Why not have a peer-reporting feature? If someone sees a potentially offensive comment, let them flag it and have it be reviews by an LJW staffer

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jafs

That's what they have now, and if they just enforced it, and banned posters who engaged in repeated violations, the problem would be solved without this change.

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Jason Johnson

The problem is that people can create all kinds of fake/unused emails with Yahoo, Hotmail, etc. People faking Facebook profiles will occur magnitudes less, enabling the LJW to actually deal with troublemakers.

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KsTwister

I return to find this, not very happy with losing the right to comment intelligently without the world knowing who you are and how to get to you if they wish.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Dennis Anderson

The Peoria Journal Star switched to Facebook commenting earlier this year. Comments decreased but overall traffic increased. Conversation is much more civil.

4 years, 7 months ago

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bad_dog

Well, everyone knows if it plays in Peoria...

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jafs

:-)

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fiddleback

Yeah, it was truly terrible before-- you wouldn't believe what anonymous Peorians would post about the widow Quackenbush's boysenberry pie...

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Hoots

I have just one question. How do I delete my account?

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verity

I asked the LJW moderator that question some time ago---you can't, or at least you couldn't then. Apparently it just goes dormant after some period of time.

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Ron Holzwarth

It won't make much difference to me, except that many spurious comments that have no real or factual content hopefully won't appear anymore. I have been commenting here under my real name since January 16, 2006. And of course, my Facebook account is under my real name also. A point of interest is that there are far fewer than 1,000 persons in the United States with my last name, so there isn't likely to be any confusion about who I really am!

I think this change should have been made a long time ago.

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deec

According to google, I am the only person with my exact name. If I choose to continue to belong here, it will be under an alias. I think it unlikely that I will do so.

I would like to apologize to anyone whom I have offended in my many years on this site. I have been at times unkind, and I am sorry.

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jhawkinsf

Your olive branch is gratefully acknowledged and is offered in return. Peace.

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Ron Holzwarth

I'm the only person in the world with my first, middle, and last name. There are about 5 living Ron/Ronald Holzwarths in the United States, and I think 2 in Germany. But, out of all of them, only myself and Dr. Ronald Holzwarth, in Germany, have any significant web presence.

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myopinion

I agree with the idea, but I have never and will never have a Facebook account. To limit this to only one source is ridiculous. Facebook has had it's fair share of problem with security and other issues. Why not allow Twitter accounts, or just a LJ World account that includes your name. I would do that. I will not be forced to join Facebook which is ridiculous. I clicked on the link in the article several times to the Managing Editor Julie Wright at comments@ljworld.com, and it returned me to the front page each time with no other options. I will end all use of the LJ World if this is not addressed.

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Ron Holzwarth

You can open a Facebook account, and put little or nothing on your page.

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sciencegeek

To link to Facebook, in any way, is to make yourself vulnerable. Facebook tracks more information than the NSA ever did! And what they do with that information is far more secret.

Granted, there is a problem with the quality of some postings. But should that require monitoring of all? A free country should be able to do better. As should LJWorld.

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elliottaw

go to the library make a fake facebook account then use that info to sign on here

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myopinion

Nope, won't do it and won't be forced to do it by LJ World. I would rather subscribe to another newspaper.

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eddieboy

I'm so happy that The LJW is finally doing this. Anonymous posting removes all credibility and professionalism from The LJW.
I also refuse to open a Facebook account.

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Shardwurm

Their journalism removes all credibility and professionalism from The LJW. KC Star switched to this last month and the posts have dropped about 80 percent.

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Jeff Cuttell

What other local Lawrence paper will you subscribe to?

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Ron Holzwarth

"it will provide us with a method to validate user accounts and real names."

As I recall, I had to jump through hoops to comment under my real name. The policy at that time was a phone call made by the staff, but that step was left out for me because my user name was RonHolzwarth(Ron Holzwarth), and I called the LJWorld first.

"Facebook does not allow its users to create fake profiles."

One of my Facebook friends is Ludwig Van Beethovan, of Vienna, Austria. I wonder how that happened. I have also noticed that a couple of my Facebook friends regularly change their name. And, yet one more told me that he does not use his real name on Facebook, because he considers that to be too risky.

Facebook claims that they don't allow fake profiles, but in actual practice, that is far from the case.

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Nikki May

I may have another account on facebook with a different name - at one time it may have been named after a chameleon and currently after a snake . My great grandmother also has an account, even though I know she was not alive when internet and computers were widely used in homes. Also, all under age students with accounts are technically false accounts. Then there are the ones who share their facebook account with their spouse and there names are a long combined first name. Or how many teens do I know with the last name Beiber. Seriously, it's a farce to believe that these accounts are all real. Even facebook knows better.

I also post from a verified account. I think that is WAY more likely to be "real." I had to verify my actual being. I already went ahead an connected my accounts. I don't say anything I won't say in person anyway. It's just my personal philosophy.

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myopinion

I know someone personally whose Facebook account was used by other people behind their back.to post things that were not true. Yeah, it eventually got fixed, but the damage was done. I appreciate you comments, but I will never join Facebook.

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Ron Holzwarth

Make up a name and join Facebook, no big deal. It's difficult for me to believe that the editors here are so naive as to actually believe that all of the names on Facebook are actually real. But, the problem remains that they might call you to verify your identity. But, I wonder where they are going to get your phone number, unless they ask for it as part of your registration. That might present a problem, as your hoax would then be uncovered.

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myopinion

I went to the send feedback page and sent my message. You know what, I had to include my name and had no problem doing that. There is no reason the Journal World could not let people set up an account on their page with their name, except maybe laziness.

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myopinion

I would rather loose LJ World than join Facebook. It won't happen. But they will also loose me and I have been on here for over 20 years and never had a comment removed. Obviously, they don't care or they would provide another avenue. I am not really even worried about it anymore,. Thanks and goodbye.

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racerx

At least you won't lose LJ World and they won't lose you....

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hedshrinker

Many people post on FB using fictitious names. I think that's a illegitimate rationale for the LJW to come up with, and many people are wary of FB b/c of their leaky privacy issues. You will be getting a very limited selection of people who will post on the LJW site if that is the only way. Maybe it will be more civil, less provocative, bullying, name calling, character assasination, and blandly truthful, but it will leave lots of folks out.
Also many people have sensitive professional lives...we are medical providers, teachers, attorneys, politicians, pastors, etc...maybe we want to express an opinion, have a conversation about things in the news but do not wish for our private opinions to be tied to our professional lives. I will miss the opportunity to do so, have found it a useful practice to sort out my own reactions and thoughts and to engage w others in that process.
Frankly I think in this instance as well as others, it's unfortunate that some irresponsible people have made this kind of restriction necessary.

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Lawrence Morgan

I think this is a great idea, and way overdue. I currently use my real name on all my blogs, and my real name was on my comments until about a year ago, when it changed to kansasplains1 suddenly and I never knew why.

The only problem is that I do not have a Facebook account, and do not want one. Facebook has had a lot of problems in the past year, and I don't want my personal information or photographs exposed to others. I do not like what Facebook is or may be doing with information that they collect. I drive by their headquarters often (going from San Francisco to Palo Alto and Santa Clara), and I see mostly young people. I can't imagine that these people have had time yet in their lives to reflect on what information on Facebook can do to them later in life.

Why not have an alternative method in which the commenter - I, for example - register my name at the Journal World with a telephone number and email address. Then, I can be contacted at any time. This would be much better for me than dealing with Facebook. I, too, have known Facebook people who have not used their real names.

Please consider this.

I do think there is a problem with people and professions - a doctor or psychiatrist may have good reason to make comments but not be seen by their true name - this will take some further thought.

I make comments frequently as well as my blogs and well commons, and have always felt the need for a true discussion of issues. My information is there for all to see.

Truly, this is the way to go. It just needs an additional input besides Facebook. Thank you!

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uncleandyt

We promise not to share your personal information with anyone we would not share it with. For your protection, please submit your Social Security and bank account numbers.

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smileydog

Let's see....microsoft, google, facebook, apple, yahoo, AOL and at least 43 internet companies track us, our cell phone provider track us -all part of the government PRISM network. The LJWorld teamed up with google with their little questions, now they request a facebook account. The bottom line: No dissent is allowed. I've already had comments removed for reasons unknown (other than perhaps a conservative take on an issue, or calling one of Lawrence's many kooks a kook, pointing out a blatantly biased job of reporting, or my attempt at humor). Freedom of speech as a whole in this country is going the way of the Dodo bird.

Rest easy powers that be. This sometime dissenter is gone......poof!

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jonas_opines

I'm certainly not a conservative under anything but the most . . . "liberal" standards, lol, but I have a lot of posts vanish these days, for no clear TOS violation.

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WarHawk78

Amen to that

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Bob Forer

Ditto. There was a recent article about a restored Cadillac. No pictures were included. I commented that that editor should get a D- for not inlcuding pictures. My comment was quickly removed, as I am sure this will be.

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chootspa

Strangely, they've been allowed. I wonder if someone mistakenly thought the policy change meant they no longer needed moderators, if they're letting us get it out of our system, or if they plan on nuking the whole dang article after tomorrow.

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Aiko

I will not be using this section anymore... The End! Peace!

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Aiko

I do not and know MANY people who do NOT use Facebook or the like...... Bad idea LJWorld.

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FarleyM

Welcome to the Liberal transformation. Civility is in the eyes of the beholder... As long as you are genetically defined, DRD4.

Stimulus, transformation, Choom Gang Leader, unprecedented.

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Keith

This alone is the best reason for the change.

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FarleyM

Kudos to your acute schadenfreude. Anonymity is a DRD4 Genie's best friend. My multiple Faceybook accounts will come in handy for this stellar webpage.

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workinghard

The LJW has pretty much driven off all the good commenters anyway.

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LogicMan

The party's over. Would the last one out please turn off the lights.

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fiddleback

And on your way out, please toss a lit book of matches against those hideous curtains asking my brand of smartphone...

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Ron Holzwarth

"Those who do post with their real name will quickly see what happens."

I never had a problem that resulted from posting under my real name. Only once did someone call me on the telephone about a comment, and it was from a like minded individual.

And, I have received some congratulatory emails, messages through the LJWorld messaging system, and once on my Facebook account from individuals that wanted to point out that they liked my comments. In a few cases, lasting friendships have been formed.

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no_thanks

This is long overdue. I will gladly adhere to the new policy and look forward to more positive interactions on the Board.

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Sharon Nottingham

No matter how civil a comment, a person could judge you and your family in a way that affects business and livelihood. This is my last post....and I have always been respectful on this forum.

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cowboy

What the world needs less of on the internet is real names. Too much risk of hacking , lunatics . not to mention the restriction of free speech and exchange of ideas. Sound like a solution looking for a problem. Did you just hire Kobach ?
May as well shut the forum down LJW. Your heavy handed moderation and the Google invasion has been enough to ruin your site. Caio , Asta vista , Buh Bye

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chootspa

A peer moderation system that hid nasty, downvoted comments would probably be a better system overall.

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Ron Holzwarth

If you're trying to be a writer, you should want to use your real name. But, that's just me.

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Richard Heckler

There is no guaranteed security on LJW,Facebook,Twitter,Yahoo,Verizon,AT&T,Hotmail or whatever. BUSHCO and their failure to intervene on 9/11/01 meaning squash it has forever eliminated privacy protection. Again courtesy of BUSHCO, Patriot Act and NSA.

How about a repeal?

It is my thinking that all electronic transmissions including cell phones are under surveillance 24/7 and never disappear. All "conversations" can be found. Which makes one wonder why would any criminal(s) use such equipment for communicating on an endeavor?

Over and above convenience our cell phones have become nothing but tracking devices for law enforcement at most any level. Don't want big brother to know where YOU are at every moment? Leave your cell phones elsewhere.

Why this must be channeled through Facebook is a mystery to me Why is it the LJW must go through Facebook?

I'm in support of the real name application. In fact I initially came in with my real name until LJW went down for some maintenance. When it came back up new registration was required. The response was my real name was already being used. Hmmmmmmmm.

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Peacemaker452

Merrill,

I understand that in your own little world Bush is responsible for all evil that has ever existed, and I would agree that he owns some of it, but when are you going to realize that your current savior is just as bad, if not worse.

Do you really believe that the Democrats, or your alternate “Green” party, care anymore about restoring privacy and freedom? They have had 5 years to reign in the abuses of the Patriot Act and related programs, what have they done? Let me help you out: They have expanded the programs.

I believe that it was your Democratic Party’s grand wizard, FDR, who gave us the SSN that would never be used to identify or track us, wasn’t it?

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Richard Heckler

There is no guaranteed security on LJW,Facebook,Twitter,Yahoo,Verizon,AT&T,Hotmail or whatever. BUSHCO and their failure to intervene on 9/11/01 meaning squash it has forever eliminated privacy protection. Again courtesy of BUSHCO, Patriot Act and NSA.

As I stated how about a repeal?

I did not vote for Obama......

"Do you really believe that the Democrats, or your alternate “Green” party, care anymore about restoring privacy and freedom?"

Progressive Democrats of America and The Green Party ...... absolutely.

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BlackVelvet

Hey Merrill, give it a rest already. Is Bush really to blame for EVERYTHING in the world? Is Bush to blame for YOU? Find a different line.

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Peacemaker452

I guess we all need to conform to the standards established by the KU Journalism Department in regards to “extreme speech, insults, name-calling, misleading statements” so that we may have a “more civil, responsible forum for discussion”.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus

This is about controlling content, not enforcing "civility." The only reason to read it from now on is to know what the Chamber of Commerce and the owners of this newspaper want you to believe.

And how much will the JW make from tying this to lords of the internet at Facebook?

Anyway, I gave up on this site months ago, which was years too late.

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chootspa

Who doesn't want a little Chamber of Commerce or Kansas Policy Institute jeopardizing their careers for posting on a newspaper's forum? It's not like people have had the option of posting under their real name in the past and have often opted not to do so for very valid reasons.

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Richard Heckler

"This is about controlling content, not enforcing "civility."

Yes I am sure this may be among the factors...... absolutely.

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DoUntoOthers

This is a great change. Anonymity has led to idiocy in the tenor of the discussion. This should help confine the discussion to thoughtful, reasoned, well-written comments instead of random blurts from folks with seemingly nothing else to do but shoot barbs all day rather than accomplishing something worthwhile.

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jafs

Can't help but notice you post anonymously.

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justsomewench

+1

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Larry Miller

While I have my name attached to this account, I would never consider attaching a facebook account. This leads to more chances for spam. There are plenty of reasons to have anonymous postings. Requiring a facebook account will not eliminate the nasty comments as such people create fake facebook accounts. This will eliminate a lot of the well though out, reasonable accounts, as many people do not have facebook accounts.

Bad idea.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus

"There shouldn't be any more arbitrary and capricious comment deletions as there have been recently."

Once forum administrators start deleting posts for more than a few very well-defined reasons (obscenity, direct insults to other posters, etc.) "arbitrary and capricious" soon become the deciding criteria for moderation, as this forum has well demonstrated.

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chootspa

Bingo.

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chootspa

Ironically, the moderation quality also went downhill at about the same time that the moderators became anonymous. How much you want to bet that *that* part doesn't change with the new system?

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nick_s

Dont have a Facebook. Wont get one for this reason either. I enjoy commenting, & really have nothing to hide, but agree that those of us in the professional world sometimes dont want our identity known. I have never posted anything questionable, or factually untrue, or bullied anyone, but do not want my identity known for fear of backlash or retribution in the professional world. Yes, KCStar is now a ghost town after they made this move, & I assume LJ World will be the same. I understand the "motive" behind it, but agree with other posters that Facebook has its fair share of fake accounts, & this will most likely not stop those bent on spreading hearsay & attacking others. Sad day.

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Michael LoBurgio

My name is Mike LoBurgio and i agree with the lawrence journal world.

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Scott Morgan

The only problem I see is the good information, really good inside information on subjects like the schools, government, and just plain juicy gossip will disappear.

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jhawkinsf

I too gave up on this site more than a month ago, after being a frequent commentator. I gave up because of the lack of civility expressed by far too many. Eventually, I became part of that far too many number and didn't like it one bit. Each day I would begin posting with a positive outlook only to see it devolve into divisiveness and bitterness.

All too often, anonymous forums such as these bring out the worst in people and frankly, I haven't missed commenting in the month I've been gone. That said, I won't be coming back when names are required. I own a small business and can't afford to lose any customers just because someone thinks I'm too liberal or too conservative, just because I support one cause and not another, just because I vote one way and not another. So to whatever extent concerns such as that and other concerns have in controlling content, that will be a side effect as well.

Sincere regards to all.

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jafs

Bye.

I noticed your absence and wondered what had happened.

Best of luck in your life!

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jhawkinsf

You as well, Jafs.

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John Hamm

Wow. I hate to be the one to tell the L-JW Editors this but there are a lot of 'fake' accounts on FB.

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stevieboy

Too smart for facebook, dont want personal info avavilable to everyone..So, long ljw..

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parrothead8

My number of comments here has decreased dramatically in recent months, and now must even further. It's one thing to force your commenters to identify themselves via Facebook; it's another thing entirely to leave your commenters at the mercy of anyone who decides to take offense to the most innocuous of statements. I'm not willing to put my family or my business at risk. Thanks for the memories, LJW. These online debates were fun while they lasted.

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PhilChiles

In terms of civility, this site really isn't that bad. I post under my real name just to keep myself from crossing too many lines, so I see the logic. But, I stopped using Facebook a while ago, and I'm not gonna get back on just to continue commenting here. I thought there was an interesting community established here and I appreciated the extra insight that the comment section provided, looks like that's coming to an end...

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FarleyM

The next step is to eliminate reading the paper online unless you have a subscription.

4 years, 7 months ago

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bad_dog

I believe the Topeka Capital Urinal has already gone that route.

4 years, 7 months ago

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nick_s

All you have to do is delete your cookies on the Urinal. Of course you have to do it quite often, as I think they allow 10 story viewings before they kindly ask you for money.

4 years, 7 months ago

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chootspa

Private browsing mode is good for more than adult sites.

4 years, 7 months ago

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kawrivercrow

KC Star did that. You can easily bypass The KC Star's by disrupting the wifi signal in the moment after the article loads but before you get a pop-up demanding a subscription. Then re-connect the signal. You may have to practice a little to get the timing right. A Dell laptop has a toggle switch that makes it super-easy.

4 years, 7 months ago

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irvan moore

I don't have or want a facebook account so I guess I will be out too. thanks for some happy years of interaction with my fellow posters. please try to figure out a way to register posters under their real names without having to link to facebook, maybe come to your offices and show picture id?

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Ron Holzwarth

The LJWorld somehow managed to register posters under their real names for many years, case in point, me, I have been registered to post here since 2006.

What you had to do was request verification online, which was to be followed up with a phone call from the staff. I really don't understand why the connection with Facebook, which is rife with fake accounts. For instance, I really don't understand how Ludwig Van Beethovan, of Vienna, Austria, managed to open a Facebook account. He must have a computer and internet connection in his casket.

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Terry Sexton

I won't be surprised if this, my final comment, is removed, but I am thankful for the insights, entertainment & opinions from a wide variety of LJWorld commenters. Civility & behavior were never problems when common sense, less reactionary moderators were watching over the remarks. Patrick Henry is probably spinning like a top. I hardly ever agreed with some of you, but one last tip o' the cap to a few former & soon to be former users:

RoeDapple - reticent_irreverent - babboy - prospector - The_Original_Bob - cwgoku - g_rock - autie - riverdrifter - andini - snap_pop_no_crackle - merrill (only fitting to mention the last two next to each other) - just_ another_ bozo_ on_this_bus - jafs - beatrice - Rondamiller - spacehog/hollis brown /rara avis/Eddie Haskell & many others.

Thanks, everybody! I'll see ya in the funny papers! Oh, wait...

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kernal

As well as puddleglum. And, we are left wondering if Eversanger was for real or someone's great imagination and what was Whitney's nickname. Whoopie?

4 years, 7 months ago

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kernal

Sorry, that was Sankforever, not Eversanger.

4 years, 7 months ago

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WarHawk78

Love you too man! Formerly CW

4 years, 7 months ago

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tomatogrower

Is LJW willing to help bring criminal charges if someone is threatened? This happened to one of my employees. They sent letters to me, telling me I should fire her, and this person even sent threatening letters to her home, so he had her address. LJW banned him, but I imagine he still reads this and tries other names. I do feel stifled not posting under my own name, but I have a business, and can't afford threats and repercussions from those with whom I disagree. By the way, my employee won't even post anonymously, since that incident. She spends her spare time working on her causes, instead of coming here. I showed her this article, and she said "Good luck with that."

I agree with PhilChiles about the civility. If you read CNN or Fox forums, the racist and sexist comments and the insults are just disgusting. This site is very calm compared to those sites.

I also do not consider this site free speech, because of the need to be anonymous, but one must protect oneself.

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Budgets_Smudgets

And RIP Multi.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Ron Holzwarth

Yes, Multi is gone. I only met Multi twice before it was unexpectedly time to go to the viewing at the funeral home.

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kernal

Then there was the commenter who was making physical threats against RoaDapple, and another commenter, in LJW comments as well as comments in other area newspapers.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Steve Bunch

Never mind.

4 years, 7 months ago

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chicago95

From the creators of Django and Ellington, this new policy and the Google alliance represent extraordinarily ham-handed applications of technology, not to mention a fundamental misunderstanding of the civic responsibility of the newspaper of record.

... btw, am I the only one whose browser frequently renders no name on the by-lines of LJW articles?

I'm gone.

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Keith

The creators of Django and Ellington are long gone, let go in the tech purges of several years ago. What you have now are the maintainers of those programs, and that's a whole nother creature.

4 years, 7 months ago

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WarHawk78

Following the lead of the KC Star is insane. That paper is almost dead. See ya.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Nonsense

Kudos LJW. I am glad for this change. I too have found myself running at the mouth because I could hide behind a name. I will be registering on Thursday.

4 years, 7 months ago

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asixbury

I work in a professional, highly-regulated industry and will now create a fake Facebook account to link to so I can continue commenting....I could very well lose my job if I used my real name and the wrong people found it. Not chancing it. This is the worst idea ever. If people don't like the comments, no one is forcing them to read it...seems ridiculous to cater to the whiners!

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fiddleback

Dear Ms. Wright et al.,

Where to start. Well, like the other posters, I won't bother trying to change your mind regarding this entirely regressive decision, but it would be nice if you could offer token acknowledgment of what's being sacrificed in terms of unfettered debate just to keep out the extreme and hateful remarks. You could also just admit to whatever savings are gleaned from fewer hours spent intensively moderating...

Either tact would be better than this: "By requiring the use of real names, commenters will be personally responsible for what they post on the site for others to see." You might as well be saying, “We’d like to return to the glorious accountability of the wild west saloon, in which voicing an unpopular sentiment could endanger your livelihood or your actual life.”

What you and other publications are doing is exchanging a virtual wild west of less inhibited, occasionally uncivil speech for a wild west of mostly repressed viewpoints and obvious potential for actual retaliation and uncivil behavior.

Just do us one final favor and spare us the feigned surprise when a headline finally confirms this unfortunate trade-off.

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jafs

Also, they can easily monitor for civility, and kick people off who violate that, without this change.

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fiddleback

Instead of admitting savings from less moderating, I should have suggested they admit the money Facebook is paying them to track future posters' activities.

I do find it heartening to see how many others out there despise Facebook. Here I thought I was a very obscure minority...we always have more in common than we think, comrades.

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UltimateGrownup

This is a big mistake. The debate on LJWorld got raucous at times, but that's okay in a democracy. I saw very little in the way of profanity, threats, and abuse. What disturbs me is that I believe that the LJWorld basically wants to have the only megaphone in town. And that megaphone will shrink -- along with ad revenues -- as will traffic to LJWorld.com, starting tomorrow. Adios.

4 years, 7 months ago

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DanR

The byline on this story is kind of ironic.

4 years, 7 months ago

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DanR

Well, they fixed it (it did just say "by" ), but it's still kind of ironic.

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fiddleback

But with the superfluous capitalization, it's now ironic on multiple levels-- "The Editors" sounds like a bad 90's horror movie where aliens inhabit the bodies of a high school yearbook committee... if they wanted to be so authoritative, they should have just published the story like this:

Dear Commenters,

Get Out.

Sincerely,

The Management

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melott

I don't mind owning up to my identity, but I don't do Facebook and never will. Bye bye LJW.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Mike Silverman

Tap - Tap, is this thing on?

PS: bragging about "not doing Facebook" in 2013 is like bragging in 1975 that you don't own a television and never will.

PPS: the connecting to Facebook stuff doesn't even work yet, LJW Staff. It goes through the motions, but after completing the connection the connected Facebook account still doesn't show up in your profile. Might want to do a bit more testing before you go live tomorrow.

4 years, 7 months ago

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jafs

Commenting that one doesn't have a facebook account or want one isn't "bragging".

We don't all have to jump on the latest tech craze, do we?

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asixbury

I never had a MySpace account when that was popular, so I agree with you jafs. Your commentary will be missed. I only have a facebook account to stay in touch with family (share photos, videos, etc) and have a very limited friend base.

4 years, 7 months ago

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jafs

Thanks.

I'll miss these discussions a lot - can only hope that the jw reconsiders this policy.

4 years, 7 months ago

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MarcoPogo

I'm going to miss your grumpy posts, KRichards. HUGS!

4 years, 7 months ago

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jafs

Why is it "bragging"?

Just saying we don't use it isn't bragging, it's just a fact.

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somebodynew

Well, so long folks. I guess my moniker has turned into 'somebodyOLD' now. I actually have a Facebook, however not in my name. I also do not use it anymore since my job has changed and there is no need for it. I have just be too negligent to close it down. The fact the LJW actually believes this doesn't happen just shows how far behind the times and technology they actually are !!

I will not have an account in my name and will not do one now because of some paper. This will do nothing to improve the quality of the posts on here, but it is their paper and they can do as they want.

I am also one who does not feel comfortable posting under my real name. Not because I am afraid of what I say, or get out of hand, but because of not only my position, but also my family's. I do not want one of my family suffering repercussions from what I post, because sometimes they don't agree with my stance, but could be targeted. I have always been willing to own up to what I say, but no one else should have to answer for it.

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BlackVelvet

It's just too bad the LJW doesn't say "come in and prove who you are and we'll keep your identity confidential, and you can be anonymous (to the rest of the world). I would do that (actually did do it sometime back after some slanderous comments about me were posted.

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chootspa

This!

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kernal

As would I, BlackVelvet.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Nikki May

Well, why not just hook the fake name to an account and no one would be the wiser. You don't have to USE the facebook.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Steve Jacob

I don't blame the LJW for doing this, there are a lot of idiots posting that ruins it for everyone. There will be less people posting on the LJW, and soon it will be like the KC Star and you will have to have a subscription to access online articles and comment. Way of the world, I guess.

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agitatedbacon

There is no evidence that a real name policy increases the quality of comments: http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/29/surp... Reading the comments section of the Kansas City Star or the St. Louis Post Dispatch for controversial articles is enough to show you that people are just as likely to post offensive and racist comments under their real names as a pseudonym.

If the LJworld was interested in increasing comment quality, they should introduce a proven content moderation system like the one used by Slashdot - a site where you don't even need to register a user account, yet the discussion quality is very high.

I contribute using my real name on many websites. I chose not to here. Why? I commented on a 100 Years Ago article about the old bridge over the Kaw in Lawrence with an opinion about modern bridge construction. Since I want to seek employment in the bridge industry in the future, my controversial opinion about historical bridges could lead to me losing out on job opportunities. That's the sort of comment that this policy will stifle, not the ones it is intended to stop.

Furthermore, using Facebook to enforce this policy is simply the wrong choice. Facebook has shown that it has no interest in user privacy and considers users a product. The comments may not appear on your Facebook page, but you can be damn sure that Facebook will notice your comments. If you comment on an article about a product or service, it wouldn't be surprising to start seeing targeted advertising on your Facebook page about those products and services. Facebook wants your identity because after Google, they're one of the largest advertising companies in the world. They don't care about the quality of a discussion on the website of a small town newspaper in Kansas - they want to use you and your comments to make money.

I block Facebook from all sites when I'm not on facebook.com to avoid Facebook tracking. It's easy to do with the Firefox extension Ghostery. I will not see the new comments section on this site, because I value my privacy and anonymity.

The Journal-World used to have a lively community of commenters who sometimes bickered over controversial opinions. The comments section was unique among newspaper websites and provided a lot of insight in to the character of Lawrence and the problems the city faces. It was nothing like the racist nonsense over on the Youtube comment sections. A bit of smart moderation and maybe a user comment moderation system like Slashdot could have easily fixed the comment section.

Over the course of the past couple years that community has evaporated as the Journal World has made more and more changes to the website, for the worse every time. I don't expect this community to survive the change. Frankly, I don't intend to stick around and find out thanks to the use of Facebook and what seems like a total disregard for the users of this site.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Tim Bateman

I am fine with getting rid of the anonymity, I just don't like that the only choice is to sign up through Facebook. Why not just have a signup directly through the LJW?

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Robert Wells

Give up our identity???!!!
Not happen.
Mr. Guth is a prime example. While I am glad he stepped up to the plate and said who he was , you can't convince me it was the right thing to do.
How many people out there want to suffer the same fate?
These posted comments were, I thought a way to conseal my ID not my free speech.
LJW you let us down.

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Budgets_Smudgets

But how about he-who-must-not-be-named?

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Kathy Theis-Getto

Ruh roh

4 years, 7 months ago

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thelonious

Well, I guess my comments about Dolph's "editorials" were just too much for them - I don't think requiring actual identity to post is necessarily a bad thing, although there are pros and cons, but requiring a Facebook account is a terrible idea - I shut my Facebook account down a couple of years ago when I started my consulting practice, and I have NO intention of bringing it back - privacy concerns, Zuckerberg is a weenie, it's a time waster, etc. So this may be my last comment here - and by the way, why LJW, why have you already taken down my avatar? I am thelonious, and the picture of the Monk's Dream album cover was a FANTASTIC avatar!

I think I will go back and read my posts over the years for old time's sake, and then spend my time doing more productive things than posting here anyway. Thanks, LJW! :-)

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jafs

I've always thought that just before my wife and I moved from Lawrence, I would suggest meeting in person with the people I've talked with on this forum over time.

I suppose we could do it now, but the same reasons we post anonymously might apply.

Too bad.

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riverdrifter

You should've come to one of the 'back yarders' that Ronda promoted. I met a lot of people and the discourse was great.

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Ron Holzwarth

That dance ain't over yet! A date is set for the next one, but the location is undecided.

But - there is this - you have to be invited, and who you know, and the quality and type of comments you post determines whether you are invited or not.

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chootspa

Actually, people would probably be slightly more willing to talk when there's not documented evidence of what they posted and when. I hear people give all sorts of opinions informally that they'd never dare to commit to writing where their boss could see. A Meetup or something would be fun. http://www.meetup.com/create/

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Larry_Local

Just as others have said, this will be my last post. Say goodbye to the intelligent, thought-provoking comments as those with professional identities in the community disappear. I will not be linking a Facebook account (real or fake) to my LJWorld account. Those willing to create a fake Facebook account are going to continue posting the same comments they always have, and those who don't care if they are identified by their real name when posting opinionated statements will continue to post as they always have. You may have fewer insults (which you are able to remove anyway), but you will also be left with comments of little substance. Why wouldn't you want discussion from those in the community who wish to remain anonymous solely because of their professional status? I supported the annoying Google surveys, but I will not support this. You've gone one step too far, LJWorld.

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sciencegeek

Anonymity is necessary for some of us. It used to be that an American had the right to their opinion, but in today's world, people get fired for expressing it. The pseudo-protection of whistleblowers is a case in point.

Some of us cannot use our real names because either we, or our family members, work where anyone not drinking the kool-aid can be fired. The recent blowup with Professor Guth at KU is a pointed reminder of how a private posting can cause professional damage. Since I and/or my relatives with the same last name work for KU, or the state of Kansas, or a school district, anonymity is mandatory. And if anyone thinks that those entities don't track these comments, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

I thought LJW was more independent in its thinking than many other papers in this state. I'm sorry to find that I was wrong.

4 years, 7 months ago

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mom_of_three

I agree with your statement 100%. good luck, peoples.

4 years, 7 months ago

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he_who_knows_all

There sure is a lot of whining and complaining in these comments. Change is good.

How were some of you complaining before the internet?

I'll comply and uncloak and use my real name tomorrow if that's what the ljworld wants. They haven't been in business for well over 100 years by not changing and adapting with the times.

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james bush

The LJW is the 2nd website I visit each day. I've always looked forward to people's comments/posts. I think this change is a bad idea.

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Gary Rexroad

Thank you Lawrence Journal World and The World Company. This is an important development for Lawrence and I believe represents courageous leadership on the part of the World Company.

Asking for attribution does not prevent anyone from sharing an opinion or disagreeing with another's point of view. I believe you will find more people willing to be engaged in this community dialogue when they find a civil conversation taking place. More from our community will be engaged helping us all to make decisions inclusive of all opinions.

I also believe this change will help others from outside Lawrence see us as the community we are. Open to all ideas, respectful of others and a remarkable place to call home.

Gary Rexroad
785.226.2908

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Richard Heckler

Gary Rexroad,

If the ljw does not step up and remove the "aggressive language problem" that will most certainly surface what is accomplished?

" I believe you will find more people willing to be engaged in this community dialogue when they find a civil conversation taking place" This will not happen.

I do agree with all those who have voiced concerns regarding Facebook. LJW will lose some excellent discussion.

Lawrence is not a tolerant as we like to pretend when posters from the "professional and business" world must fear posting under real identity. Again we will lose some excellent discussion.

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jafs

You're entitled to your opinion.

When comments go down drastically instead of up, will you notice and agree that you were wrong about that?

Also, this wasn't just a place to help us make decisions about the future of Lawrence, it was a forum for open discussion and debate, which I find valuable in a number of ways.

I guess the idea is to turn it into some sort of Chamber of Commerce approved think tank?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus

Yes, I'm sure that you'll be very happy with the unbridled boosterism the new format will encourage.

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Joe Hyde

I've always used my actual name when posting online comments in the J-W, and for some time now I've also had a Facebook account. Perhaps because I have my FB privacy controls set to "Friends only", but I've never been harassed on that site. If somehow this ever happens, I can block the sender's account and that will end it.

I've never been harassed or physically confronted, whether here in Lawrence or elsewhere, by anyone who disagreed with a comment I posted in the J-W site. I attribute this to the fact that while we all hold views on various topics, many of our personal views are not carved in marble but are open to reappraisal after reading what somebody else thinks about the same subject. Moreover, even those who disagreed with my views from time to time, they must be basically civil folks. Sure, some may rant and spew in anonymity, but they wouldn't do anything so impolite in person; certainly not if it involved getting up in my face. And I wouldn't do that to them.

The thing I'm most hopeful about is the likelihood that the J-W's rule change on posting comments will generate a higher number of Letters to the Editor. That's where the real action is anyway, and it's because people sending in Letters must identify themselves by name. This means they're standing up in a very public fashion and speaking straight out about what they think and believe. It can be very frightening, doing this, because you're never sure how some people will take it. So even when reading a Letter whose view I totally disagree with, still I have nothing but the highest respect for the person who had the brains to write it, and the guts to send it in.

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I think this will drive away 90% or higher of the comments......It will kill a little more readership.
"Every solution creates a new problem"
Paul Silkiner 1958

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Cait McKnelly

I tried to update my account to include my real name. I don't care who knows who I am and I want to preserve my weblog here. I couldn't find a place to do it. If this means I will lose it, then I will start importing it to Dreamwidth.

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Cait McKnelly

I was able to link it to my Facebook but it still doesn't show my real name.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Flap Doodle

This is the last nail in the coffin of the community that used to post here. Have fun storming the castle.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Boston_Corbett

SNAP!! I feared you had been disappereded. You are alive. Will miss you.

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riverdrifter

Hi, Snap. I thought you were disappearded, as well. Yep, the last nail has been driven. Shoulder your pike and watch yer topknot.

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kef104

I am willing to bet this change has more to do with revenue than civility. Facebook sells information about its users. Since what people read and post is more information, Facebook is likely paying LJW to connect the accounts and then adding gathered information to its own data base. Just like Google is doing.

I have a Facebook account. However, I have never allowed any other account to link to it, including games. Facebook does not verify any personal information when opening an account.

I wonder how long before someone creates a fake account using Dolf's name?

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somebodynew

Hey, I have an idea for a fun day on here, since it is so many people's last day - - - -

Why don't we all reveal who (we think) everyone else is ???? Come on, it will be fun.

I will start..... Smitty is/was actually ...... (deleted by LJW moderators)

Actually, that would probably shut down this whole thing quicker than LJW thought. :)

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justsomewench

i *really* want to know who smitty is. it's taken a concerted effort to train myself to ignore her/his posts.

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somebodynew

I would tell you but then I would get 'disappeared' forever.

OOPs. Guess I am anyway !!!!!

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Satirical

A more civil discussion? You mean like Prof Guth's comments? Are they kidding themselves?

Good-bye LJWorld.

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ICUNVME

I find myself wondering if there is some sort of financial situation involved for the LJWord to be wanting to force everyone to use Facebook like the Google thing.

Like many others here have stated before me, those that have a life and therefore no need for Facebook (fake profile or not) will be SOL as far as participating in these comments are concerned. As for those that that are the Facebook kind of people, they are currently setting up their fake profiles to use.

At any rate, I have a feeling the click count will go down. Which means a lot of ads not getting viewed. That will probably mean wanting people to pay to come to this site.

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MarcoPogo

Wow, all people who have Facebook accounts do not have lives, and they are all now setting up fake accounts. And all white people can't dance.

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ICUNVME

One more thing. While my name is actually fairly common back east, it has recently come to my attention that at least one other person in this area has the same name that I do. Not that there is anything I can do about it, but I would hate to have this person comment here without anonymity and have his comments ( including previous comments if they exist ) attributed to me by others such as my employer for example.

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Scott Criqui

Thank you for making this change!

4 years, 7 months ago

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ICUNVME

What will happen to those people that have nothing better to do in their lives but to spend their days "zombie hunting" and outing anyone they suspect of being someone they don't like that had a username previously banned? I fear this publication has now removed their whole reason for being.

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Romans832

I, too, would use my "real" identity if required by LJW--and if done as part of their registration process on their site. However, I have not, past, present, or future, been a Facebook user, and object to the comments being limited to only those who are.

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justsomewench

So, all users will be suffering the consequences for the bad behavior of some and LJW’s failure to simply ban the users violating current policy.

Brilliant!

4 years, 7 months ago

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Boston_Corbett

I'm all for requiring verification of identity, but I too wished there was a non-facebook way to do it.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Tom Thomson

Very disappointing change, LJW.. No way in hell you'll be seeing me link my Facebook profile to the site. :td:

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justsomewench

From a professional point, as the paper continues to disengage from the community it depends on to financially support it and with the continued modifications (Google surveys, restricted commenter privacy), I will assume that readership online and off- will continue to decline.

This policy change would appear to be another nail in the coffin of your advertising revenue, LJW.

Well played. <blank stare>

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whats_going_on

I see where LJWorld is coming from...I feel that people will really be more civil with their names attached, but I won't be commenting anymore. As a business owner and someone who also works for a local business owner, I don't want my name tied to any "controversial" things I might say/believe.

I'm not really one to sling hateful words at people by any means, but people get SO tied up in politics, etc, that I don't want the bad association if I'm not agreed with on any point.

Also, I don't think its fair to require people to have a facebook account. I have one and all, but for those who don't...sad.

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Crystal Patterson

I have had an account since 2007, but I do not have a Facebook page and do not plan on getting one. The greed of the LJ World is losing users at an exponential rate, first you sign a deal with Google, now Facebook, it's pathetic. Good-bye LJ World commenters.

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EMR

Bye Bye, so long, farewell --- See you in September... no, wait - See you in the comics... no, wait, the comics are gone now. 'Tis a saaaaaad movie - always makes me cry. Ciao LJW - I'm outta here.

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farmgal

Satirical: "A more civil discussion? You mean like Prof Guth's comments? Are they kidding themselves?

Good-bye LJWorld."

Yes, like Guth's "civil" comments; that's what we should ALL be aiming for!

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thebigspoon

Good bye old friends...

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50YearResident

xx

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Sam Crow

Kudos to the LJWorld for this change.

The KCStar did it some weeks ago also. The inflammatory, name calling content there essentially disappeared, and actual intelligent civil discussion broke out. .

If someone has an opinion they want so desperately to be read by others, they should be willing to attach their name to it. This forum now has too many drive by insults, all hiding behind the cloak of anonymity. If you want to call politicians and business people crooks full of corruption, you should be willing to do so with your name attached.

From the comments posted here, those swearing not to return will not be missed, as they are typically the ones with the inflammatory comments. Hopefully the moderators will also end their very selective so called moderation.

Bring it on LJW.

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jafs

Why?

There are many reasons that people might not want everybody who reads the paper to know who they are, and associate them with their comments, even if civil and reasonable.

I am one of the posters who has always tried to abide by the tos, and not post insults, etc. and I'll be gone - I suspect many of the people I like to talk with will also leave, and they're also in that category.

Ensuring a more civil atmosphere can easily be done by simply enforcing the tos, and banning posters who repeatedly violate them.

I think people should be able to express a wide variety of ideas anonymously, personally, and completely understand why many might want to do that. You don't go around telling your boss, customers, church friends, etc. all of your opinions, do you?

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Liberty275

Bye Jafs!

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jafs

Bye to you too - be well!

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mom_of_three

You are pretty wrong about the anonymous posters and inflammatory comments. Many of us who post anonymously do so with intent to share information and dialogue. I will miss them and their insightful, funny, truthful and caring comments.
the most hateful thing I ever posted was calling someone a "numnut" and in 7 years of commenting, I used it a handful of times. And that was when I was really p.o.'ed

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Shardwurm

The number of posts on the KC Star dropped about 80 percent as well.

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gl0ck0wn3r

I will be quitting after years of sometimes contentious debate here. I've already cut back quite a bit because of the increasing difficulty in using the LJW's site. Although I disagree strongly with Mr. Guth's comments, I think they serve as a good example for what can happen when someone attaches their name to an obviously controversial opinion. Lawrence is a small town and people here are more than happy to carry ideological grudges from the real world onto a website and back. Many people who own businesses or work in positions who can not afford to argue an ideologically unpopular opinion will simply cease posting. This area will become less interesting as a result.

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Liberty275

Fake email, fake facebook, fake name.

Not worth it. Enjoy failure.

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otto

This article states "Facebook does not allow its users to create fake profiles."

Wahahahahaaa - you cant be serious, there tons of fakebooks going on

4 years, 7 months ago

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Liberty275

My dogs and my Oscars have facebook accounts.

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bad_dog

Oscars? You've won Academy Awards? Is this the ghost of Charlton Heston I'm addressing?
;-)

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fiddleback

Charlton Heston died? I thought he was just being extra stoic.

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jayhawklawrence

It is hard not to suspect that political pressure is behind this change. Right wing political pressure.

Particularly important in a time when issues have becoming so polarizing, anonymity is needed for protection from reprisals.

You cannot justify this as improving our democracy. But people are able to justify anything when a society is ruled by the most rich and powerful and that is the direction we have been heading for a long time now.

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chootspa

Agreed. I supposed one reason to stay is to prevent a certain Koch water carrier from posting without anyone challenging him. I notice he tends to give up and go away when everyone calls him out on his lies. I hope enough people stay to at least do that much.

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yourworstnightmare

I agree with this move. Anonymity leads to the problems mentioned in the article: lies, personal insults, extreme and racist postings.

It's been fun. Peace. Out.

4 years, 7 months ago

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KevinBacon

What if we're already using our real name but we don't like linking accounts? Does this rule apply to famous people?

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zaxback

I fully support this decision by the LJ World. It will hold people accountable for their comments, and after the dust settles, will make Lawrence and it's community newspaper better as a result. Thank you for after years of advocation, doing the right thing.

Zak Bolick

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asixbury

Better? Why? Because people who fear reprisal in their professional lives will no longer comment? It will greatly reduce the variety of voices on this forum. I will tell someone face-to-face my opinion, because I can control who I talk to. I do not like the idea of some opinion of mine being used against me in the future by someone who doesn't agree with me.

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jonas_opines

ESPN's forum comments have not markedly improved since the adoption of the Facebook policy. All that happened, at least on KU-related stories and the Duke/UNC /UK ones I've read occasionally, is that what was once a 5000plus commented article dropped to maybe 50, but the rivalry, name-calling, and incivility continued. There might have been a drop for a few weeks, as the old trolls fell away, but eventually the new ones replaced them.

On the other hand, the pure spam ones, MU fans posting hundreds of smileys type posts, did disappear.

I suppose that I may link my accounts, even using my own Facebook account. I live half a county away from good 'ol Lawrence now, decreasing both my involvement and any fear of real-life consequences I may face from posting. But then, all it's every taken is a google search of my screen name to find my real name, and I've already had multiple people attempt to bring up personal events and people in my life in an attempt to humiliate or intimidate me. Sadly, so many of the best voices have been falling away as it is, and coupled with the fact that my posts are frequently removed for no clear violation, it's been hard to muster any enthusiasm about the site for the last year.

We've had the lesson here already, as well. We all know a number of the repeatedly banned posters have, at one time or another, used their real names, and it did not effect the quality of their contributions.

It would manage the forums far more easily and more effectively to have, all this time, simply established Ignore functions, opt-ins on reading comments, and peer-downvoting, enabling each individual reader and user to determine their own engagement. I suppose that is too empowered, however, and would not satisfy the most meddlesome.

Whatever happens, it likely does mark the end of one era, but that era has been dying for most of 2013, it seems, and this is just the final eulogy for it. I suppose it simply remains to be seen whether a new batch of posters take up the roles, and how long it takes for that to happen.

Ah well, the only constant is change.

Cheers, for those who will no longer be here. I learned a great deal from a great many of you, of all walks and talks in life.

Brian Mellor
(jonas opines)

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gutenberg

Txt longa, Vita brevis.

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Jason Johnson

Eh, I'm glad they're going to real names. If you're one of the people vehemently complaining, it makes me wonder if you're maybe one of the folks that this is pointing at.

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Flap Doodle

If you stand if front of a mirror at midnight and say "Marion Sidney Lynn" three times, a geezer wearing Blu-Blockers will appear. He will explain to you how to make money with a pump and dump stock scam.

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Flap Doodle

Bow wow!

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Boston_Corbett

Snap, your number of posts is getting up there close to Marion's old record. Maybe it is time have the LJW do a profile on you?

And where did Rhonda go?

4 years, 7 months ago

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riverdrifter

Ronda's around. Hopefully she'll comment here.

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Flap Doodle

Back around the time they did that profile on Marion, I was contacted about them doing one on me. I'm still wanted in Nebraska for square dancing in a round house so I had to demure.

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KevinBacon

I, for one, after watching years of back and forth never-ending childish petty bickering unfold on this site, am touched to see almost all of us finally come together on this issue. The LJWorld really messed up this time.

As we sit here writing our last comments, preparing to jump ship, we look forward with hope for a brighter future for Lawrence journalism. May the death of the Journal World be quick, but maybe not completely painless.

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riverdrifter

So long everybody (picks up satchel, trudges away down a virtual dirt road)...

http://www2.ljworld.com/users/photos/...

4 years, 7 months ago

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riverdrifter

Absolutely! It's a perfect day for .38 special golf on the Kaw links. Let's grab Roedy and go. I've still got your email, BTW.

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foxli

No thanks. I already have a Facebook (that I'm seriously considering deleting), but it has very little identifying information, just my name. It's an extremely unique name, and if a past stalker were to Google it, ta-da, he now knows I live in Lawrence (or has a reason to assume so).

Also, I wonder what'$ involved with integrating the Facebook application into thi$ $ite?

Peace. Oftentimes, the comments were more informative than the articles, even if some of you are nutterbutters. ;)

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Eddie Muñoz

I'm for this, 100%. I believe it will have the intended effect of making the discourse here more civil. Anonymity brings out the worst in people.

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patkindle

hooray, this will eliminate a lot of the crappy posts
the next step should be only subscribers are able to post ,

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Jason Johnson

I agree. I actually would prefer that only paid subscribers can comment.

4 years, 7 months ago

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riverdrifter

Censorship to dirty dog bitter end as the rats run down the lines!

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irvan moore

the sun will rise in the east tomorrow and this forum will shrink for a while and then evolve into whatever it is supposed to be, life will go on. maybe I can spend some time doing something constructive, walk the dog, hang out with the wife, mow the lawn, plant some flowers, build a birdhouse, those in our golden years know that things change and even though we fight the inevitable sometimes it is for the best. I wish all my fellow forum posters good things in their futures, thanks for many enjoyable hours

4 years, 7 months ago

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cowboy

Hows that new policy thingie workin out for ya LJW ?

4 years, 7 months ago

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Ricky_Vaughn

Bye everyone! It was fun while it lasted.

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ferrislives

While I get the point, it's not worth the trouble. I've enjoyed the banter over the years. Goodbye to all.

Just remember, "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it!" - Ferris Bueller

4 years, 7 months ago

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fiddleback

chick...chicka-chickaaaaaaaa

4 years, 7 months ago

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jonas_opines

My favorite shall always be the Ubermime Saga.

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DoUntoOthers

Frankly it is good that the number of comments will go down. Most comments on most topics are either inane, repetitive or off-topic. This will mean that those who have actually thought about a topic and take time to carefully compose their thoughts will more likely be the ones weighing in (instead of those with nothing else to do).

4 years, 7 months ago

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Flap Doodle

Whitney got while the getting was good.

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Boston_Corbett

I think the LJW needs a good ole non-architect architect.

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BlackVelvet

This about $$$, nothing more. LJW (print edition) tells me they REQUIRE a $5 month carrier tip or I can pick up my paper at the curb (when it IS delivered). Then the google survey stuff to read articles online, now selling out to Facebook. I won't miss you, LJWORLD.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Liberty275

The internet routes around this sort of thing.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/LJWDeserter...

4 years, 7 months ago

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jafs

Hey - cool!

Are you the moderator?

I'll see everybody there - of course, it won't be as easy to talk about ljw stories, but it'll still be fun.

4 years, 7 months ago

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jafs

I can only get there by clicking on this link - isn't there a way to get there directly, so that when this story is gone, we can get to the site?

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Catalano

Thanks, Liberty275! I've missed having a local forum where one could even just post a question needing a quick answer. Maybe this will be the beginning of Larryville 2.0.

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chootspa

Needs a slightly better platform than zetaboards, though. Bit clunky. I'll do some investigation. There's potential for a hyperlocal slashdot.

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jafs

Sure seems like there are any number of better ways to ensure civility and/or improve the quality of conversations on here without this change.

Unfortunately, they seem to have decided already, and aren't interested in other ideas.

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kawrivercrow

Only fools wold expose themselves to the hazards of posting online here under their real names. This site will end up like the KC Star...a place where you will only find a few rare chirping crickets.

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Shardwurm

Goodbye everyone. I don't post here much anymore but this will finish it for me.

I'll leave you with one last jab at the Education Industry: It's a complete rip-off and someday the system's insatiable desire for money will crush the middle class.

Instead of 'fixing' health care we should have focussed on making education affordable. Alas, we didn't and now it's running amok and burdening people with mortgage-level debt when they're only 22 years old (or emptying already-depleted retirement accounts of their parents).

That's something to be proud of for sure.

And they still scream for more money to 'retain' professors who don't teach, but are instead forced to do research to bring in even more money. It's an absolute train wreck.

Goodbye.

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jonas_opines

Fools, the Forum has not yet evolved INTO IT'S ULTIMATE FORM!!!1!

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Flap Doodle

The lemurs stopped letting me into their compound a couple of months ago. They get a lot of odd packages from FedEx. Sometime, just at dawn, a single puff of white smoke emerges from their lair.

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riverdrifter

Not to mention the 2,000 N-95 flu masks he bought, to be sold at a huge profit when the next big flu epidemic hit.

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Boston_Corbett

I wonder if Wyandotte County still allows wolf-dogs to be chained up?

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Flap Doodle

arf!

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riverdrifter

Yes, but only if they are guarding the trade routes.

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Boston_Corbett

Oh yes, the trade routes. And we're all gonna die from those flu-infested Mexicans driving over the border.

Never saw any racism from that Wyandotte County basement, did we?

4 years, 7 months ago

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Boston_Corbett

Strange. I haven't heard anyone grovel on about Holocaust denier David Irving for some time.....

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MartyT

This typical comment / thread on this website is beyond embarrassing. This move will undoubtedly improve the quality of the conversation.

Of course I have zero interest in actually attributing my own name to my comments, as this would not fly professionally at all. So...

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MarcoPogo

Did your post just eat itself? I think your post just ate itself. Hey, Ma - come quick! Posts are done eating themselfs!

4 years, 7 months ago

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Flap Doodle

Who is bringing the little thin pancakes?

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NotImpressed

With the viciousness of the verbal attacks some of the posters here lob, I'll pass, LJW. There's no telling what kind of retribution would (will) take place. The moderation here has been a joke, anyway.

If you're interested in a vigorous political discussion, go to www.talkingpointsmemo.com

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trinity

I'll bring biskits and slander jelly. Wow, I'm feeling a bit blue about the changes! Sure have gotten to "know" some neat people...the Bob variations, Multi, Ceal, I could go on&on. I'm not in here very often any more, but we had a great time! Trinity, July 28 2005-October 2013.
Ps-Hard telling what I'd do for a Klondike Bar. ;)

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trinity

How could I forget Gootsie??
facebook
oboe
cook
fake
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oak
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Lawrence Morgan

You will notice that Mark Potts has left the Journal-World. Good riddance! He knew nothing about the community. And he almost completely got rid of citizen journalism and blogs, as well!

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hujiko

Terrible mistake, LJW. I, among many others will no longer engage with your online services following this move. Many of us do not wish to jeopardize our professional lives, nor the safety of our families by using our real names.

If troublesome posters are the real issue here, may I suggest hiring additional moderators and reviewing the guidelines on when to take action? Uprooting an entire online community (albeit dysfunctional) for a few bad apples is perhaps more extreme than some of the viewpoints being voiced.

Oh well, you've made your decision and so have I. I do not wish to become another Emma Sullivan, David Guth, or any of the millions of people who have lost job opportunities or entire careers for the personal opinions they made on the internet.

Expect this to be your last story with the comments exceeding the century mark for a long time.

Cheers!

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patkindle

with out the gutless wonders posting their anonymous claims, I am sure the number
of posts will be a lot less, but hopefully more substantial, rather than just of lot of
hateful rhetoric

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jafs

Your name doesn't seem to improve your posts - ie. "gutless wonders", etc. Sure sounds like "hateful rhetoric" to me.

Ironic.

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Flap Doodle

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

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trinity

Disappeareded one more time, yes?? ;)

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chootspa

Oh goodness. They're actually moderating comments here? Then I guess they'll have their work cut out to moderate all 2342342343 times someone mentioned how fed up they were with the recent arbitrary enforcement of them.

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nick_s

This is certainly the most lively comment section I've seen in some time. Hopefully LJ World will take cue & relent on this move, but I doubt it.

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Peacemaker452

It is sad to see it come down to this. I have only been around a couple of years but will miss the conversations on this site.

I will have to agree with all of those who do not wish to link thru Facebook or use their real names. There are way too many negative outcomes with too few positive.

I will say that there is no one on this site that I engaged with that I would not sit down across a table from and hold the same discussions that I held here. I would probably even buy you your favorite cold beverage. (Except Fretster, I wouldn’t pee in his mouth if his throat was on fire. But he got disappeared, so no issue.)

Good to see those of you that have been gone for a while and wish you all well.

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jafs

Liberty has started a zetaboards forum - a couple of us are over there already.

Check his comment above for the link.

I hope that many of us who have been discussing things on this site move over to his new one, and continue.

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Peacemaker452

Come on in, the water is fine…..

http://w11.zetaboards.com/LJWDeserter...

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Flap Doodle

Hot Carl, Save-the-whales-instead, Enforcer... all those disappeareded moments lost, like tears in rain.....

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Laura Wilson

Originally I had no issue with using my real name, but after reading comments about threats and harassment, I now have to agree that is a bad idea. But not as bad a forcing people to use a platform (Facebook) they may not wish to use. I have no desire to use Facebook due to many issues including their problems with privacy. And, yes, I could set up a fake account and/or keep it entirely private, but that still gives Facebook a legitimacy I don't wish to give them, as well as a new, if perhaps fake, customer.

I sent an email to the JW along these lines, stating I was glad I'd stopped paying for the paper edition. As soon as espn.com starting forcing people to use Facebook in order to comment, I cancelled my subscription to Insider, a pay service. I will not give any company money that forces its customers to use a specific online platform to comment.

If the JW wants me to provide them with my real name and contact information linked to my user name, I have no issue with that. There are reasons to be anonymous, and it makes a lot more sense to me to have the JW be able to link a username to a real person and then deal with any harassing or verbally abusive comments, then give people no other option but to sign up for Facebook and use their real names to post.

From the number of unhappy comments, I won't be the only person no longer posting here. I'm guessing Facebook is in some of kind of financial relationship now with the JW just as Google paid to ask us stupid questions--but at least the latter doesn't have our personal information.

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hujiko

"If the JW wants me to provide them with my real name and contact information linked to my user name, I have no issue with that."

I too would be more in favor of this option, and would continue to interact with the LJW websites. For what it is, the level of "extreme speech, insults, name-calling, misleading statements and other behavior that is made possible and even encouraged by anonymity" is quite low here compared to hundreds of other internet platforms.

I dare anyone to take the comments of any five mildly popular videos on youtube, and feel comfortable reading the contents verbatim to their grandmother.

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Amy Heeter

It looks like anonymous posters are the ones with no life.

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Flap Doodle

Speak for yourself, John Alden.

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Kathy Theis-Getto

I told you not to speak the name enforcer, snap.

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Flap Doodle

You think I would pay attention to anything you said?

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jayhawklawrence

I would like to make a suggestion that folks go to Netflix and watch "The Billionaires Tea Party". In this film it gives you some insight into how the right wing is recruiting and organizing a right wing grass roots organization that is dedicated to putting pressure on communities across America to promote their right wing ideas. They have a strategy that believes the "end justifies the means". They are being trained to use social media to attack anyone who does not agree with their Libertarian/Koch/Anarchist world view.

They also are forming front groups that hide their political agenda while promoting causes designed to allow them to recruit new members to their organization by using baiting issues to gain publicity.

Young college students are particularly vulnerable to their techniques.

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Flap Doodle

You are describing what those on the sinister side of the aisle have been doing for ages. Sauce goose, sauce gander.

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chootspa

The "sinister side of the aisle" is a good name for the oligarchs at Koch and the ultra right wing agenda. I don't know why you bring up sauce and goose, but it is making me hungry.

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Flap Doodle

Sinister = left in Latin. Thanks for playing.

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chootspa

The modern definition has lost all ties to the old etymology, but it was a nice try.

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FarleyM

The Billionaires Tea Party brought the country Obama. He was used to show the world how bad things can get.

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kernal

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Stuart Evans

America's freedom of speech is a lot like a dying pet. Watching it fade is horrific, and painful; the pain only increases when they're finally gone; but one day, it will only be a memory, where we'll hopefully find a way to smile about the good ole days.

I know, I know, there's no guarantee to freedom of speech on a private website; this I understand. But it does underline our current rights issues in this nation.

-Stuart Evans (AreUNorml)

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chootspa

Ironically, this has probably been one of the BEST LJW conversations I've seen, if not the best.
It's also not that everyone just agrees. Some people think real names curb incivility, some disagree. We can all complain that the moderation has been very spotty recently (because it has) and not have all the posts deleted.

This is what you could have had, LJW.

I doubt it's what you'll get tomorrow.

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Janella Williams

I will miss commenting. I fear my employer wouldn't like my opinions so I won't be posting.

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Laura Engels

I guess LJWorld hasn't heard of Catfishing on Facebook.

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Leslie Swearingen

I do not understand why anyone cannot give their true opinion about anything to anybody without fear. What is the worst that can happen if you do? They disagree? We need more people who will speak up openly and honestly and then stand by what they said.

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Leslie Swearingen

No I have not and I am sorry that you have been treated this way. It must have been horrible for you. But, I wish with all my heart that you could feel confident to give your opinion to anyone as you deserve to. You have the right to be whoever you choose to be and not to bow to anyone.

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chootspa

What is the worst thing that can happen if you do? Aside from death threats? There's getting fired, having harassing emails, being stalked, and vigilante social media shaming for starters.

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Thomas Bryce Jr.

Hey, it's been Real, It's been fun. I wish I could say it has been Real Fun. The discussions are usually interesting, sometimes even Fiery. The censorship Has been Arbitrary lately to say the least. I will miss some of you Guys and Gals. Some of you, well, Not so Much. I understand it IS the LJW's Site. They Can Have it. Doubting Thomas, Signing off. "Hasta La Vista, Baby!"

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oldbaldguy

Adios Amigos and Amigas! Till next time whenever that might me.

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oldbaldguy

Adios Amigos and Amigas! Till next time whenever that migh tbe.

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Flap Doodle

Yeah, the bitter old man would have loved to learn my real name.....

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Catalano

Wow, Bob. We should get together over at the new site. I'm a recovered Marion stalkee, too, and never want to go through THAT again.

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Boston_Corbett

As were some on the LJW staff, which resulted in the cease and desist letter on law firm letterhead.

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PhilChiles

Can anyone confirm or deny with certainty that LJWorld has a financial arrangement with Facebook regarding this matter, or is it just done this way out of convenience? They're allowed to make money but it would be nice to understand this situation a little better.

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fiddleback

Was it ever revealed how much Google pays them to require our answering stupid survey questions for access to content? I can't imagine they'll disclose it; it's probably easier to find such information about other larger papers that have paved these wretched paths.

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chootspa

I can't imagine Google gets anything useful out of that. How many of us bother to give honest answers?

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nick_s

I dont. When I am asked to type an answer it looks like "aadflgbvh" or "oejraln." Whichever string of letters come first from button smashing.

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Nikki May

I always say "your mom".

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fiddleback

I think you have it backwards—Facebook will pay LJW for the linking so that Facebook can better track what kinds of news stories the registered users follow, and probably even classify their comments in certain opinion or belief categories. This data can in turn be sold to advertisers who use more and more precise demographic and interest-based targeting. Big Data = big business.

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justsomewench

FWIW, even though I rarely comment anymore, thought I'd let you know I've always enjoyed your posts (and many others...and the others that engaged them - Marion and Enforcer were a force to be reckoned with).

Professionally, I won't be taking the leap over to the new side and, as readership declines, I won't be investing my company's advertising budget to the sustain the poor paper's agony.

Truth is, I only come here for the comments and Chad's updates on what is happening in local business/politics. If I am stuck reading Pat Kindle's dry, daily demotivationals, I'll find somewhere else to be entertained and informed.

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fiddleback

Justsomewench, I figured you probably meant LittleFuzzy, but in case you actually meant me, thanks very much for the compliment. I did expend some effort here and there and generally tried to take full advantage of the communication these forums made possible while staying respectful (mostly). I'll honestly miss this venue for discussing local issues...

Yeah, time to find a new place for info-tainment, I suppose.

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seagull

It is absolutely hilarious that a decision to require individuals to identify themselves to comment has drawn likely more comments than almost any other story. And, most seem upset with having to link to Facebook not with the requirement to use one's name.

This is long overdue. If the majority of the discourse in these comments was intelligent and usefully promoted dialogue, it would be one thing. Much is unfortunately mean and outrageous, enabled by anonymity. The comments have provided hours of entertainment, however.

Personally, I must admit to occasionally wanting to comment on a story without revealing my name. Though I won't use Facebook so I won't be commenting any longer, my respect for the Journal World has gone up.

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fiddleback

Opinion duly noted, Mr. Gull.

4 years, 7 months ago

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fiddleback

By the way, I'm not finding your last name in the Lawrence phone book. Could you at least provide an address where I could mail this threatening letter?

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dougbe50

Why does it have to be facebook . $$$$$$$$$ I don't suppose it really makes a difference because my first post didn't make it up here. It did not contain profanity just my opinion . Why cant it by tied to our subscription ?

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jonas_opines

Frankie asks: "I do not understand why anyone cannot give their true opinion about anything to anybody without fear. What is the worst that can happen if you do?"

I have a consistent, unique user name that can be traced very easily to my real name. A few years back, one of our oft-banned users, during a politically-related argument, went into my myspace profile and hot-linked a picture of me and my wife with derogatory remarks about her appearance. That marks the only time I've ever reported a post, at my wife's impetus. Her feelings were incredibly hurt. A day later, under a different username (having been banned) he challenged me to a fight. After that, several times (despite my vocal promise to ignore him from that point on) he would link something from either Myspace or Facebook in an attempt to intimidate me or humiliate me in some way.

The best part, his wife and my wife worked together, frequently in direct contact with each other. I'm sure this whole thing really helped their professional relationship.

There are psychopaths out there. And there are people, some who have the power of employment or other form of control over other people, who are so crazy about the righteousness of their opinions that they will truly attempt to punish people for having a different opinion.

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Leslie Swearingen

Thank you jonas! Although I have yet to encounter this I am sure you are right. Am I remembering rightly that he wanted to meet you at high noon on Mass somewhere?

4 years, 7 months ago

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jonas_opines

Rings a bell, haha. Can't remember the minor details.

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jonas_opines

And again, if the goal was to clean up the comments (which I doubt) it could easily be fixed with two steps.

Opt-in to see comments -- requiring an account (even a verified one, if necessary)

Ignore List -- Given that 10% of the users generate 90% of the worst comments, all it takes is putting a few people on ignore, and lo, you don't see the bad comments anymore.

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verity

Yes, I believe quite a few people requested an ignore button.

Probably a lot more to this than we now know.

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chootspa

With the apparent quitting/firing of a certain VP of content, there was apparently a LOT more to this than we now know. Would be interesting to hear the scoop.

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Fred Whitehead Jr.

This newsrag is a real hoot! I will gladly identify myself when the time comes, I firmly believe everything I have posted here, and will state it to the face of anyone including republican terrorists (one of my favorite terms) without flinching.

Bring it on, Mr. Simons, we now will know each other face to face. And I will be putting my thoughts right in your republican terrorist face.

4 years, 7 months ago

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gccs14r

And the story has been pulled from the front page, probably because the number of negative comments is through the roof. LOL.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Missingit

thank goodness i was able to sign up on facebook. My new handle will be Pat McGroin. Glad to contribute as a valued member of the Journal World. What remember I'm Irish!!

4 years, 7 months ago

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d_prowess

Can anyone tell me how to delete my account? I would rather just shut it down than keep it out there. I looked in the settings, but nothing seemed obvious.

4 years, 7 months ago

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pagano

"Facebook does not allow its users to create fake profiles." Yeah. Okay.

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Missingit

Pat McGroin on Facebok is a Nigerian King who needs help getting his lottery money into the US.

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sad_lawrencian

This isn't about identity verification or keeping commenting civil, it's about gaining revenue through information cross-sharing between LJWorldCo and Facebook's advertising platform. This will allow the two companies to exchange users' information to deliver targeted advertising on both sites, and Facebook will pay LJWorldCo for the privilege. It's another cash grab by LJWorldCo, nothing more, nothing less.

I moved to Lawrence in 2008 and I found the local newspaper and its website to be helpful and informative. However, I was dismayed as, piece by piece, the paper and especially the website went downhill.

The LJWorld had a good website, and it built up a valuable record of comments/community interaction. It served to document the climate of the times and the issues among the members of the community.

Things changed, though. The sale of the cable company and software business. The policing of user accounts as had not happened before (the site's administrators deleted wholesale the accounts and entire commenting history of many users, the excuse being the users had committed this or that infraction). The selling out to Google. Now the selling out to Facebook.

I encourage fellow LJWorldCo users to find a new forum website where users may still comment upon Lawrence issues anonymously, privately (when necessary) and securely. I will not share my information with Facebook, just as now I do not share it with Google and other information strip-mining companies.

So long, LJWorldCo.

4 years, 7 months ago

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irvan moore

I find it interesting that the journal world in the interest of honest open discussion has a byline of editors instead of the editors real name or names, it must be an embarrassing day to be an editor for the ljw

4 years, 7 months ago

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nick_s

Very good point, didnt even think of that. I dont recall ever seeing an Editorial where there was a name by the "by." Will editors start taking credit for their own opinions in the Editorals, as they are forcing everyone else to do?

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chootspa

That's also how they sign their emails when you complain about their arbitrary moderation. I once got a non apology for an innocuous post that was deleted, and they included this whole passive aggressive bit about how posting was at their discretion anyway, blah blah. Um, thanks? Gosh you're so great and powerful?

Makes me wonder if half the new policy isn't the result of projection.

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Garth Atchison

LJW cannot stop the snark or contrary-to-their-opinion, as long as they allow any commenting. As for worrying about someone finding me: Come at me Bro! I am quick and would love to be the reason you go to jail. The LJW's censoring of comments is more chilling, since it seems like someone anonymously making edits through their own political filters.

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Lee Eldridge

Thank you LJWorld.

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Din Rosa

I understand the motive for this but it is a big mistake. It is true that the comments hurt the apparent quality of the LJWorld site, and YES, SOMETHING should be done. A few years ago around election time I came to the site for the first time (fairly new to Lawrence) to get info to help me decide on voting issues, and I was so turned off by the poor quality of comments that I rarely returned. Bad quality comments do hurt the Journal. However, I am now a regular reader because some of the comments are REALLY GOOD, and so are many of the journalists. This is a high-quality newspaper with some high-quality commenting. Some people take lots of time to have thoughtful discussion, and I learn and benefit from it, and I'm grateful for their time and effort. I even have an RSS subscription to one of the commenters so I catch all of his/her posts, because they give such good examples of how to effectively argue issues in which I agree with the poster. One of the best commenters is probably a KU administrator and is extremely unlikely to continue his/her valuable contributions without anonymity, since he/she likely does not want to appear to represent KU (the benefits/rationale for that should be rather obvious after the Guth case....).

Here is what I suggest instead: completely disable commenting for many of the articles, but not for all. In my experience many of the poor-quality comments are for articles that don't really need or provoke much discussion. Some articles simply do not benefit from comments, and this is usually obvious even before the first comment. Some of the articles which do not benefit from comments are interesting and well-written, and I've felt sorry for the journalist when it is marred by a couple of dumb comments at the end, which is not a nice reward for a job well done with the article, and yes, it hurts reader experience and makes the newspaper look bad. Disabling commenting for many of the articles would make policing the rest easier, and they should simply be better policed. This seems to be the strategy taken by the NYTimes, for example. Also, when things get out of hand, do not continue to allow commenting for another 200 posts. Just police the thing, control it better, but please don't kill it. Taking away anonymity will kill it. I will never post under my name on any site because while I would not mind if some people identify me with my comment, or even all Lawrencians do, I also have a very unique name and of course I don't want the whole planet to be able to see all my comments with a simple google search. Furthermore, I am in principle against forcing people to join Facebook in order to accomplish something at an unrelated site. It is bad enough having relatives pressuring Facebook on folks who have zero interest in it (and even hostile feelings towards Facebook). I have zero interest in joining Facebook, EVER.

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weeslicket

1. awwww... you guys beat me to it. ljworld writing staff publishing editorials anonymously. hypo-somethings.

2. i also am not interested in linking my online comments to facebook.

3. i also do not want to post under my real name (O. Henry is already taken, you know).

4. maybe we should all think about returning to larryville.com

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patkindle

I guess this will give old larryville a boost in the arm
or some such site for the rants and raves.
I really doubt if the ljw will miss the anonymous posters
at least not the ones that do not subscribe for sure.

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Lawrence Morgan

Please look at my blog - it pertains to a vision for Lawrence and beyond - before the Journal-World takes it down.

http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/kansa...

Leave a comment and pass it on to other people!

4 years, 7 months ago

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Hudson Luce

well, if the intrusive questions from Google weren't enough to drive me off, then this will do the trick. And I do have a facebook account under my real name, but there are good reasons to use pseudonyms on this forum and others like it. It'll be interesting to see what the comment sections look like tomorrow... if I feel a need to even look at ljworld.com. and i like the idea of an alternative forum at http://w11.zetaboards.com/LJWDeserter...

4 years, 7 months ago

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Erika Dvorske

Thank you to the leaders who made this happen! I look forward to meaningful dialogue here!

4 years, 7 months ago

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asixbury

The dialogue was meaningful before. There were the commentors that are better left ignored, but a lot of very good discussions occurred.

4 years, 7 months ago

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hujiko

You should consider more robust Facebook privacy settings if you plan on making contributions to LJW in the future. Just sayin'.

4 years, 7 months ago

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LadyJ

Haven't logged in a long time but wanted to say good-bye, we had some fun times. Take care of yourself beardedgnome. Hope Roady and gang will send some golf balls down the river to me. Have a plate of biscuits and gravy and maybe some cornbread. Did we ever settle the whole ketchup or mustard question? It's too bad Roady can't say good bye, unless he has a sock puppet That's ok, I keep up with him on facebook. I only have four friends, and two are family, so you see how he rates. I actually outed myself to several users at Multi's funeral. Found out then that some of the commenters thought that I was actually one of Multi's different user names. Since I was at the funeral though, that couldn't be. RIP Multi, you were one of the legendary LJW users. We gave the LJW quite the time with the whole back door thing. Hey, they should have thanked us for finding loopholes in their programming. I do wonder if Anna Undercover's blogs would have been allowed under the current regime. Wait, we never figured out Whitney's childhood nickname. Now we'll never know. Well, good-bye, it was a lot of fun (until recently anyway)

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Leslie Swearingen

I feel like crying. sometimes I got mad at the guys now I miss them and know how precious their silly, inane yet incredible wise comments were.

Well, I guess its time to sit back and take a load off - in your trousers.

A Toast:

Here's to beefsteak when you're hungry,<br>
Whiskey when you're dry,<br>
Greenbacks when you are busted,<br>
And Heaven when you die!<br>

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jafs

check out our new site at zetaboards.

w11.zetaboards.com/LJWDeserters

A number of us are already registered there, and plan to keep discussing things, including current events in Lawrence.

4 years, 7 months ago

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Boston_Corbett

I had forgotten about the "back door" That was a stitch.

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Weather_Watcher

Add me to the list of those that will not tie back any activity here to Facebook or any other 3rd party account.

4 years, 7 months ago

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patkindle

I feel sure the journal world is keeping track of everyone that will never return,
so they can add them to their holiday card email list

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Rick Aldrich

(Add me to the list of those that will not tie back any activity here to Facebook or any other 3rd party account)

DITTOOOO!!!
so when did little old lawrence's newspaper deserve to be included in the same sentence as ESPN? i'll never post on here again myself but it should be fun to read all the soft gentle caring post. later bjworld.

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wtfusa

LJWorld! Put the gun down and walk away! Life is too precious to waste it on something like this! You have so much to live for! You are a good paper not owned by the likes of Gannett! DON'T DO IT! Plus facebook is dead in 2 years for sure. Complaining about civility of comments on the internet is the dumbest excuse Ive ever heard.

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Hazel Ripstra

Skipping over about 300 comments, I'd like to point out that I've already stopped reading the stories on this site due to the Google Survey questions. I often just take a look at the comments, but often they are not very interesting either. However enforcing the Facebook rule is no good, for the many reasons others of you have mentioned. So basically, there is not much left of this website. I still take the ever-shrinking newspaper, and most of the stories that I don't read here I can read in the evening in the paper. I, like others, used to have this my first internet stop of the day, but no longer.

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verity

After a nasty email from the/a moderator several months ago, I also stopped looking at the LJW first and started exploring other papers for news of the state.

If I had ever communicated with a customer in the manner I was written to, I have no doubt I would have been fired.

4 years, 7 months ago

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ICUNVME

Does this mean there will be no more very informative blogs from strippers trolling for business? Or did that end with Kealing's departure?

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Joseph Jarvis

I'm neutral on the policy change, but I hate the Facebook requirement. LJW, have you thought about limiting access to visitors running Internet Explorer on Windows on a Dell? I hear it's easy and practical to implement a website that way from the developer's standpoint. /end sarcasm

BTW, other commenters are right: the Internet routes around censorship. This will just spawn an even less civil forum somewhere else.

(Commenting under my real name since 2007.)

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ICUNVME

Since there will no longer be a need for it, will the "Most Discussed" column disappear as well? Or will it just become the most "Liked" column?

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Ignignokt

Goodbye cruel world!

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verity

Bye-bye. It's been fun.

I appreciated the posters who were critical thinkers and carried on rational conversations and debates that I could learn something from. I appreciated those who made it a point to gather and share information about topics---often the comments were more enlightening than the articles.

One just had to become immune and laugh at the insults. They certainly weren't as bad as ones I've seen on Yahoo! articles or some other places. I did try to be civil---sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings.

I will not link any account to any other and have reasons for wanting to remain anonymous here.

Thanks for the good times.

4 years, 7 months ago

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DillonBarnes

You'll never learn my true identity! Wahahaha... oh wait.

4 years, 7 months ago

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classclown

Be careful what you wish for LJW. It might come true.

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webmocker

Journal-World websites to require commenters to identify themselves
By The Editors
October 9, 2013

Does "The Editors" have a Facebook account? (For you grammarians out there, it's intentional.)

Is fornication with a pig Effingham?

4 years, 7 months ago

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local_support

Steamboat has a population of around 12K. No surprise there are so many more commenters on this site, since Lawrence is an exponentially larger community.

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Ronda Miller

Tisk tisk....and I thought I had a hard time with change. This is well past due and it won't destroy the Journal World or prevent people (who have something to actually say) from participating in a heated discourse.

We were asked during the Citizen Journalism Academy if we wanted to be anonymous or not. We voted to be required to use our real names. I regretted that only in reference to one 'in tang able' person. For the most part it has been a good thing and helped me consider and reconsider implications of what I would say.

The only down side was that others weren't required to be their authentic selves :)

I've made amazing friends through this forum and remain in contact with many of them today. I have The World Company to thank for that.

So suck it up, sign in and justbegintowrite again.

A shout out to River, Kansas52, Camper, Schula, Irish, OBob, Jonas, auntie autie (a cuzin twice removed and officially from another family), RoadApple, Marion (yep, love the guy), Ron Holzworth, piano man,Aisling, Multi (may she rest in peace), Lady Jane, Gnomie, and so many others......snappy. David Lignell, I could and should go on and on....but I won't.

Onward and upward. A sign of the times.

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Boston_Corbett

I'm not sure your in tang able problems arose from web based conduct. Just sayin. :)

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Ronda Miller

I love Gootsie!

And it's not ruined....it's just different, as are we, that's all.

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riverdrifter

Agreed.

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local_support

While I didn't read all of the comments on this thread, my initial take is that many of the people on here griping about the change rarely post anything to begin with.

Years ago, after I had wrote a particularly nasty comment in response to someone I disagreed with, I decided to only post what I would also be willing to say in person, and in public. It has personally worked well for me, so this change will not be particularly hard. For others who don't adhere to some sort of baseline for their comments, it may prove much more difficult.

I do wish that everyone would stop and think about how many hate-filled, venomous comments are regularly posted on here. Speaking your mind in our virtual town square should come with a certain level of respect, as well as responsiblity.

If you can't handle not having a place to scrawl your anonymous thoughts, then might I suggest the inside of a bathroom stall somewhere.

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Flap Doodle

At midnight, is a bell going to ring and everybody gets disappearededed?

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irvan moore

thanks to all for a great few years, I include the ljw in that thank you because you allowed us to think maybe our opinions had value, maybe someone cared what we thought and we shared a few laughs. goodnight

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verity

I registered at Deserters, then signed out and can't find a place to sign back in.

Somebody help before midnight please or I'm gone forever.

Disappeareded into the mists---

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Liberty275

I has been fun, my friends. Goodnight and so long.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/LJWDeserters/

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Curveball

Will we get to find out who all the regulars really are after this shuts down? I have enjoyed reading this blog for the last year or so.

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David Klamet

I have been whining about the quality of comments since the inception of the blogs and comments.

In a nutshell:

Increasing the visibility of those who use their real names and their posts and comments? Good, It is hard not to conclude that people, when posting under their real names, will be more constructive and careful. This is mostly good.

Requiring everyone to reveal their identity? Hard to say.... absolutes are awfully absolute.

Linkage to Facebook? I don't know if that is more annoying than the obstacles to viewing posts.

Sites that innovate become, at least for a while, wildly popular. reddit.com is a good example. There are good ideas out there worthy of emulation, but...

Sites and companies who blindly follow a formula hoping for success? Probably not a path to success. Maybe not even a path to survival.

I am already a verified user. I'm guessing that I will still need to create (or link to) a Facebook account??? That is kind of distasteful and something I will have to think about.

Many companies have found a way to make money by giving away things for free.

At one time LJW was near the front of innovation in it's online presence. They tried some things that didn't work. That is to their credit. Success is usually achieved by trying things that don't initially work. One of those things was the Citizen Journalism Academy, which I was fortunate to be involved with. It didn't work in it's initial form. There may not have been anything that would have made it successful.

Recognizing what doesn't work, and making changes or trying new things is the only "formula" for success. There are good ideas that could make this site successful. I'm not sure I know what they are. I am pretty sure that they are things that will make people happy and interested--not frustrated and angry.

I sincerely hope the LJW returns to that old formula.

You can have my opinion, any time, for free! I am almost always right. Just ask me!

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Nikki May

On a side note. Any good pictures lately?

4 years, 7 months ago

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Mr_B9

Take care everyone.

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jayhawklawrence

I also wish to say goodbye to everyone.

Thank you for your wonderful comments, your passion, and your love for your country, and your countrymen.

I will miss you.

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webmocker

You must connect with facebook to reply.

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webmocker

With 394 comments I had hoped to reach 400 sometime in 2013 at which point I could stop, being a bit OCD and liking baseball, you know. Now I am feeling rushed, particularly as I see the facebook requirements popping up like mushrooms in the account and reply areas, even before the stroke of midnight. Forgive, if you will, the next five entries. Or just ignore them as you have this one. :-)

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webmocker

He winds up . . .

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webmocker

and the pitch is a fluttering knuckleball . . .

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webmocker

and the swing gently strokes it into the sky . . .

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webmocker

it's going, it's going . . .

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webmocker

. . . gone!

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